E90-1 Young Cle pictures Irv Young

[Troy Kirk]

I have long thought that the E90-1 Young Cleveland card does not picture Cy Young, even though it was intended to be Cy. I recently came across a picture of Irv Young from a newspaper in 1905 that shows a similar profile view of Irv as is shown on the E90-1 Young Cleveland card. Just from looking at his nose, it is clear to me that the E90-1 card was created from a picture of Irv. Anyone agree or disagree?

[Leon]

It looks like Irv but Irv was left handed and it looks like the player is right handed on the E90-1. On the E97's it is clearly Irv marked as Cy.....

[Matt]

But the e90-1 image is reversed from the newspaper photo.

Troy - it looks right to me. I wonder if they flipped it knowing it was Irv and that Cy pitched with the other hand. I had always assumed it was just a lousy artist, but that looks exactly like Irv reverse from the photo you posted.


edited to add, now I'm confused - the newspaper article says Cy Young...

[rhettyeakley]

Matt, one of Irv's many nicknames was "Young" Cy Young (in reference to the original Cy Young) so it is talking about Irv. It does look like Irv (at least more so than Cy) based off a similar photo to the one in the newspaper. OR it could just be a really crappy artist rendition, the E90-1 set is full of 'em (ie Joe Jackson). The E90-1's are interesting /c while some players look unmistakable, others look just as generic as their E91-C counterparts!
-Rhett

[Bicem]

Looks a lot more like Irv than Cy to me... nice observation!

[brianp-beme]

The shape of the outline of the face on both card and article look to be pretty exact, just in reverse.

The article does indicate 'Young' Cy Young, which I think is how Irv was quite often identified at the time.

Great detective work Troy...the value of this E90-1 as well as the E92 Dockman, etc. that share this artwork should accordingly plummet because this now should not be known as Irv Young, not Cy Young.

Brian

[Matt]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Great detective work Troy...the value of this E90-1 as well as the E92 Dockman, etc. that share this artwork should accordingly plummet because this now should not be known as Irv Young, not Cy Young.

The card was clearly intended to picture Cy as the team name indicates, so I doubt it would ever be valued as an "Irv." Plus, I'm not sure anyone who ever owned one looked at it and felt they had an image resembling Cy. The value of the E97 is precedent here as well.

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by Matt

The card was clearly intended to picture Cy as the team name indicates, so I doubt it would ever be valued as an "Irv." Plus, I'm not sure anyone who ever owned one looked at it and felt they had an image resembling Cy. The value of the E97 is precedent here as well.

Exactly.

And FWIW the E97 is even a more questionable case, as the team designation does not put it 100% as Cy Young (vs. Irv).

Cheers,
Blair