Strange Exhibit

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Has anyone seen a card like this Rizzuto, with "An Exhibit Card" scratched out at the factory?



Look carefully at the bottom. It looks like the text has been obliterated by a white ink pen. By the way, this is an original Exhibit, not a reprint -- I bought it a LONG time ago (c. 1950) at a penny arcade. For comparison, heres a Yogi of the same vintage with a full attribution line:



Any clues?

Bob

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

Isn't there a line of thought that Exhibit had a second line of cards stating "Not to be sold in Exhibit Machines" specifically just to push the main brand? Wonder if these are somehow of that ilk.

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Posted By: Dan Lundrigan

There are 2 Rizzuto cards a large photo and a smaller photo of the same pose.The larger photo has the scratched out wording what it says exactly I can`t remember and why this was done I also don`t know.Notice the larger photo,Rizzuto`s rear foot is cropped out where it can be seen fully in the smaller photo.I think there is another player with the scrach mark but I can`t recall or I may be thinking of a dupe I have of the same Rizzuto card.I`ll check my Exhibits when I get a chance.

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Thanks Dan. By the way, it says "An Exhibit Card." Never knew there were two shots of Rizzuto. Like Jeff Heath in the Salutation set.

Bob

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Posted By: boxingcardman

I am working on revisions of the Exhibit listings for the Standard Catalog, so this is a very timely thread. Looks like we will have a large projection and small projection designation and perhaps even one with "An Exhibit Card" crossed out. I've found some other interesting cropping and caption variations as well that are as of now uncatalogued but that should be part of a master listing (IMO; we'll see how the powers that be feel).

Checked my card: I have a large projection Rizzuto with "An Exhibit Card" clear as a bell, so the crossed out version appears to be a legit variation.

Can anyone post a large projection Rizzuto without "An Exhibit Card"?

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Posted By: Scott Mt. Joy

I check mine and I have both but large and small projection but none with the whited out version.

Adam let me know if you want any help on the variations, I have a couple that are not recorded yet and would gladly share.

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Adam;

I have a few unrecorded Exhibit variations too. YT Holmes, with and without "An Exhibit Card" lower left;
Marty Marion, also with and without "An Exhibit Card" lower left.

Need scans?

Bob

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Posted By: Dan Lundrigan

If I remember correctly the cards that say "AN EXHIBIT CARD" were prouduced only in 1949.This is one of the many ways collectors try to pinpoint which years the cards were printed in.Different letter size are another,made in u.s.a,exhibit card co,printing on the rght hand side vs the left are other clues to the printing year as well.The chart may help explain this better.





The question I have does the Salutation card of Adolph Camilli with the text on the lower right exist I need a handful of cards to complete my Salutations run and I don`t think that one even exists.If anyone has one I would love to see a scan!

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

I may have that article filed away somewhere. Odd that some years don't have 32 or 64 cards though.

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Dan;

Thanks very much for the chart. I'll check my Camilli as soon as the beautiful woman guarding it wakes up.

Bob

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Dan:

I have three Camilli (Camillae?) all with MADE IN U.S.A. in the lower left. Sorry.

What do you need to complete our Salutation set? I have one complete, and a pretty good leg up on a second. Let me know; maybe I can help.

Bob

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Posted By: boxingcardman

Any others anyone wants to share would be great. Just send the info to me at:

warshawlaw@sbcglobal.net

What we really need to pin down the dates are old Exhibit catalogs.

As for Camilli, my card is Lower Left.

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Posted By: Dan Lundrigan

Thanks everyone for checking on the Camilli I think it doesn`t exist.Bob if you can help here is my want list to complete the set.I would be interested in low to mid grade condition for the Rizzo,Hartnett,Kreevich and New son to keep it affordable.I`m not to focused on condition as long as it`s fairly presentable is fine with me most of my set is raw anyway.

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Dan,

Let's move this discussion to BST, so we can get our business out of a really interesting thread. I have nine of the cards on your list. See you next door.

And just to complicate things, here's another one like the Rizzuto:




Up close, at the bottoem:



Something strange going on here.

Bob

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Posted By: boxingcardman

In the 1920s ESCO was known to scratch out or paper over printed information. Five of the PC back baseball cards have labels slapped over the name and team data after trades (Hornsby, Frisch, Peckinpaugh, Cobb and Rouch [sic]). The 1926 Harry Greb (boxing) simply slapped a label over the picture when he lost his title. Card backs from the 1920s boxing sets (they had bio and stat backs) similarly have information obviously filled in at times. Doesn't surprise me that someone just said "WTF" and scratched out some offending info on the plates of these cards, probably on an interim basis.

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Posted By: Dan Lundrigan

B/S/T sounds good Bob I will check it out.Just for the record I looked at my two Doby`s and they say printed in U.S.A on the right hand side.I thought there was another card with the scratched out text but I didn`t think it was Doby could be more out there!

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Boxingcardman:

I think you're quite right -- somebody at the Exhibit factory gave it the mental finger, and rather than doing what he was supposed to do, did this.

My real question, of course, is how many more are out there. Since I have about a hundred, of which two are marked up, they can't be all that rare. On the other hand, I've never seen or heard any conversaton about them.

B

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Posted By: boxingcardman

LOL; Never really thought of it like that but you're probably right.

BTW, I am also going to strongly suggest that instead of using "script signature" and "plain signature" the catalog switch to "black signature" and "white signature" for some of the variations in the 47-66 run. After all, deciphering script and plain is confusing but black and white is, well, black and white.

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Posted By: fkw

The 2 scratched out "An Exhibit Card" cards are from 1955 from my notes.


Here is a link to my page of how to date the Exhibits
http://centuryoldcards.com/1930/1939-66ExhibitInfo.html


Most of the info is from an SCD article back in the 1990s



PS. There really are 3 Rizzuto variations, the one that is not pictured above will have the "An Exhibit Card" unscratched (1949)

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Posted By: Bob Manning

FKW

Thanks very much for this. But where did all the information come from? Wherever, it's a hell of a job.

Bob

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Posted By: boxingcardman

I have a 1949 Yankees team with An Exhibit Card. The team is labeled the 1949 champions, meaning if it was a 1949 issue, it was after the World Series was played.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

Thanks to all who've sent me info on variations. At present, looks like I will propose at least three additions to the Salutations set and several additions to the 1947-66 set based on either cropping variations or legend variations involving "An Exhibit Card." My personal view, FWIW, is that these are not distinct sets given that many of the Salutations cards were issued into the post 1947 period. If I was the card god I'd decree that it all be treated as one continuous issue. I will also be suggesting some revisions to the pricing structures to take into account the many short prints that are not currently recognized as such.

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Posted By: Dan Lundrigan

Nice job Adam,just wanted to say thank you!Your hard work makes collecting Exhibits a little easier!

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Adam;

I also have a '54 Indians with a postcard back, something not listed in the PSA guide, at least.

Bob

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Posted By: boxingcardman

They aren't very good at cataloging known variations. It is listed in the book as the 1955 Exhibits set. Does yours have the "mutoscope" wording on the back?

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Posted By: boxingcardman

I have and can confirm the following cards:

An Exhibit Card Made In USA
An Exhibit Card [scratched out] Made in USA
Printed in USA

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Posted By: Bob Manning

Doby: I have the first two, not the third.

'54 Indians(and Giants)back: