Mamamia! Checkout this CU Thread regarding Waverly82

[WhenItWasAHobby]

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=829721

[Doug]

Any guy that puts "God Bless You All. The Lord Loves You!" in the auction description when selling stuff like this is just asking to get struck by lightning.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Waverly had a '61 set break last week and I bought one card from him. I knew of his reputation beforehand, so I will check the card over very well.

[Leon]

Still trying to figure out who got the worst of that thread?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Still trying to figure out who got the worst of that thread?

That's typical of the CU board though. Chris started a great thread to warn others of Waverly82 and he gets bashed. Go figure? Chris is a very upstanding guy. Awhile back I posted on the B/S/T that I was looking for '55 Topps and he sent me a near set and told me to pick out the ones I wanted and to ship him back the others. He didn't even know me and trusted me that much. He made a customer for life.

[jezzeaepi]

Do yourself a BIG favor and return the Waverly cards.

Before I knew of his reputation I bought about a half dozen cards from him. When they showed up, they all smelled like strong chemicals so I returned them.

Flabbergasted at what went down, I spent a few weeks monitoring his auctions, and was finally able to find *one* the ebay account that he uses to purchase sets. http://www.ebay.com/itm/120765683288 (He must have several more because this one went unused for a while)

If you look at the sets he purchases, they are always closer to exmt. There are often graded cards that he pops out of holders(5s and 6's). Next he micro trims, colors, and does some sort of chemical soaking with the cards. Finally, he takes a scan that is just small enough to make the rest of the imperfections hard to see.

This guy essentially destroys an entire set of 50-60's baseball cards every week. It makes me sick. How many others are doing this out there? What sellers of raw vintage can you trust on ebay?

[Waverly82widow]

Wow I am impressed by all the love & compassion in these posts (note the sarcasm of a widow reading about her husband). As I read all these, especially the bashing towards Eric putting "God Bless" on his auctions, is nothing short of sad. Eric WAS a reputable person in all aspects of his life. I know I lived it with him since we were 15 years old! He just recently died right after he turned 50 in the hospital from a rare type of liver cancer. I do pray, yes I said pray, this never happens to any of you to later have your family read this atrocity that bashes your good name. I know for fact as I was home with Eric daily, he did not & would not altar cards! I have been through all his stuff only to find out he was a better person than I even thought. He never ever was ashamed to share that he loved God & wanted to put it in his listings & always had. With all this said, I would seriously hope you would honor a man by deleting your posts. I already know Leon does not delete & that's his prerogative but you all have the chance to be honorable men & delete on your end these old posts. I found these, he had mentioned them at one time but never let it get him down. He did not focus on negativity & I know his grand kids would love to NOT read this one day. Would you want this to be your legacy? Thank u, gentlemen & enjoy life it seriously is way too short. Make the best of it like Eric/waverly82 did each moment til death.

[doug.goodman]

With all due respect to the now deceased Mr. Breitenbach, and his widow, and their family, in this the age of the internet, the reputation a person develops while living, is the reputation their family will "have" to read about if they choose to use google as a form of therapy after said person is gone.

So, what we all learn from this resurrected post, is that we should live life in such a way that we will allow our google searching grandchildren to enjoy our legacy.

Best regards,
Doug Goodman


PS - when you now google my name, note that I do not raise cadaver dogs.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Waverly82widow

Wow I am impressed by all the love & compassion in these posts (note the sarcasm of a widow reading about her husband). As I read all these, especially the bashing towards Eric putting "God Bless" on his auctions, is nothing short of sad. Eric WAS a reputable person in all aspects of his life. I know I lived it with him since we were 15 years old! He just recently died right after he turned 50 in the hospital from a rare type of liver cancer. I do pray, yes I said pray, this never happens to any of you to later have your family read this atrocity that bashes your good name. I know for fact as I was home with Eric daily, he did not & would not altar cards! I have been through all his stuff only to find out he was a better person than I even thought. He never ever was ashamed to share that he loved God & wanted to put it in his listings & always had. With all this said, I would seriously hope you would honor a man by deleting your posts. I already know Leon does not delete & that's his prerogative but you all have the chance to be honorable men & delete on your end these old posts. I found these, he had mentioned them at one time but never let it get him down. He did not focus on negativity & I know his grand kids would love to NOT read this one day. Would you want this to be your legacy? Thank u, gentlemen & enjoy life it seriously is way too short. Make the best of it like Eric/waverly82 did each moment til death.

Lady [if that is what you are; for all any of us know you are him faking this whole thing to try and get the thread deleted so people won't find out the truth], your legacy is determined by how you lived your life. Sounds like your [alleged] spouse treated a lot of customers badly and generated his own bad press.

I hope no one changes a thing. Death isn't a dry cleaning for one's past. If you were a jackhole in life you deserve to be remembered that way. Perhaps his grandkids can learn from this thread that if you profess one set of morals while living another you will get called out for your hypocrisy and remembered for what you were not what you would like to have been seen as.

PS: the word is "alter" not "altar".

[bn2cardz]

I had nothing to do with this thread or the gentleman that was discussed originally, but I am disgusted at how this woman has been treated. It is fairly easy to believe her as there is an obituary of this man online (http://www.stithfuneralhome.net/cgi-...103:Lcgi_html/).

If this grieving woman came here hoping to hold on to her husband's memory a little longer no one can fault her that she may be hurt even more to see what other's feelings were towards this man she loved/loves. She made the request, I can believe, any grieving spouse would make in that time of loss. If you don't want to satisfy her request there is no reason to keep the thread going by posting how you don't agree with her.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I had nothing to do with this thread or the gentleman that was discussed originally, but I am disgusted at how this woman has been treated. It is fairly easy to believe her as there is an obituary of this man online (http://www.stithfuneralhome.net/cgi-...103:Lcgi_html/).

If this grieving woman came here hoping to hold on to her husband's memory a little longer no one can fault her that she may be hurt even more to see what other's feelings were towards this man she loved/loves. She made the request, I can believe, any grieving spouse would make in that time of loss. If you don't want to satisfy her request there is no reason to keep the thread going by posting how you don't agree with her.

I agree, and I feel for her. BUT I think this thread should stay up, just for the simple fact that unsold inventory may remain. And if she didn't know he was doctoring cards, then she doesn't know what left has been doctored. This thread warns others to still use caution when dealing with the account or people mentioned.

Maybe we could remove his name though, after some time. I think that seems a legitimate request, but to remove the thread altogether isn't acceptable for the time being..

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I had nothing to do with this thread or the gentleman that was discussed originally, but I am disgusted at how this woman has been treated. It is fairly easy to believe her as there is an obituary of this man online (http://www.stithfuneralhome.net/cgi-...103:Lcgi_html/).

If this grieving woman came here hoping to hold on to her husband's memory a little longer no one can fault her that she may be hurt even more to see what other's feelings were towards this man she loved/loves. She made the request, I can believe, any grieving spouse would make in that time of loss. If you don't want to satisfy her request there is no reason to keep the thread going by posting how you don't agree with her.

Andy,

With all due respect, you're way off base here - in fact, not even in the ballpark. Waverly had a reputation of doctoring cards that goes back many, many years. Just go the the CU boards and search "Waverly" and you'll get several thread results, not one of them shed a good light on him. Here is one from over 8 years ago that speaks of his card doctoring...

http://forums.collectors.com/message...yword1=waverly

Doug hit the nail on the head in his post. The reputation one develops while living is the one that will be remembered when they are gone. Besides, it's not like where bashing him after his death. If that was the case, you would have a valid point. But this thread is a few years old. Did everybody go back and edit their comments about Bruce after his passing?

David makes a valid point as well. Surely he has inventory left that will be sold at some point. People need to know that there is the possibiltiy of the cards being altered.

Last, if she wouldn't have bumped the thread, his name probably never would have been mentioned again on these boards.

David

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Edited to add: Read this eBay description as well...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1963-TOPPS-PETE-...#ht_213wt_1186

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

PS: the word is "alter" not "altar".

I noticed that too, but given their Holy-rolling nature, I thought maybe that was done on purpose..

Also religious beliefs, isn't a reason as to why someone would NOT doctor cards.. In fact, I almost think it could support it. Given the "idolatric" nature that fans often regard athletes, including cards/collectibles, it would actually make sense that an extreme religious person, might find acceptable, perhaps even encourage, the doctoring of cards, in order to taint our "false idols" and teach us the lesson that we are not living on the path of God.. And profit from said actions, could possibly be justified, under the guise of doing God's work, by clearing that path to righteousness for others..

Sorry, for that. Nothing against religion. I actually consider myself to be quite spiritual, BUT there are some extreme nuts, that I wouldn't put this thought process past.. I also don't want it to seem that I think that these were his/her intentions, but just discussing holes in the "religious defense" for someone not doctoring cards..

[Gr8Beldini]

Is this the same Waverly that's taken out full page ads in the major hobby publications throughout the years, or is this guy unrelated to the big dealer?

[yankeeno7]

You cant forget that PSA has a vested interest in anyone buying raw cards. They want those people to send in for grading, even if rejected, thats potential income for PSA. This message board or any other message board where there is no potential income probably will not be deleted.

I do not know what it takes for any message board to be responsible for what others post when it comes to being libel. I know lots of guys whose products are spoke about in a negative way like to threaten lawsuits. 99.9999% of them of full of hot air and empty threats.