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Posted By: chris
Just got this today. Regardless of value this is an awesome find. This is 1 panel of 6 for the calandar year 1901. The others are various non-sport scenes. Anyone have any info? See any recognizable faces? Any info is greatly appreciated. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Dare I say, Mathewson on bottom row, left? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I double dog dare you to say it! |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
Don't know whether this helps. Bucknell University Class of 1902. Matty back row second from right. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
Didn't Matty leave Bucknell in 1899?? He won 20 games for the 1901 Giants and 14 for their 1902 team. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Early college annuals and photos often dated their photos to the year of expected graduation. Matty was expected to graduate in 1902, but he left college in 1899 to pursue professional baseball. |
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Posted By: chris
After many hours of research I believe I have found some great info. The other 5 panels show town scenes, churchs and schools. Although I cannot with certainty place an exact location on the pieces, I have been able to narrow down the locations to either New York, Pennsylvania or New Jersey. The calandar was most likely regionally distributed or within a certain smaller district. I had thought before posting this thread that the bottom left player could have potentially been Mathewson but it is very tough to be certain, I also did not want to get my hopes up. Mathewson stated his carrer with the Giants in 1900 playing only 3 games. This calandar dates 1902 but was likely created the year(s) before in 1900 or 1901. I have done several photo comparisions, the player in the bottom left definately resembles a young Christy Mathewson. Also many of the churchs and schools mentioned in the other panels, are located in Northern Pennsylvania and New York. Any other ideas? Anyone recognize anyone else? Thanks to everyone offering there expertise. |
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Posted By: Richard S. Simon
Mathewson graduated Keystone Junior College in NW Pennsylvania in 1898. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
To me, some of those guys look a bit old for college, that guy doesn't look that much like Matty; and why would a calendar, something that is time-focused, use images that are years old, why do you think the images used would be 2 or more years old??? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
The guy looks similar, but to me it's not enough to say that it's Mathewson. Plus I've yet to find a pic where Matty doesn't part his hair on the left. |
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Posted By: chris
"To me, some of those guys look a bit old for college, that guy doesn't look that much like Matty; and why would a calendar, something that is time-focused, use images that are years old, why do you think the images used would be 2 or more years old???" |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
That's true...I had a 1909 Navy Football team calendar with a photo of the 1908 team. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Nice photo, nice calendar...not Matty. |
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Posted By: chris
Thanks again for everyones info. Has anyone seen a photo like this? Anyone have any guesses on value or rarity? |
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Posted By: Larry
Looks like a photo of a college or a local youth team to me, all clean shaven, with the exception of the guy in the middle, who probably is the coach. I can see no clues in the picture indicating which team it is - can you post some of the other calendar pictures so we can see if there are any other clues? |
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Posted By: Seth B.
I agree with the thought that it looks like a young team and is probably collegiate. The guy does have a passing resemblence to Matty, but I think it's too good to be true. BUT...to throw some fuel in the fire, the guy with the mustache could be Van Haltren who was a Giants teammate of Matty's in 1901. |
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Posted By: Denny Walsh
I couldn't copy the Picture from the 1901 Yearbook that a board member sold on the BST, So here is link to the Basketball Photo of Matty in 1901 at Buchnell. Hugh Shoulders and massive arms! The Guy in the above calander is way to small...My Opinion ofcourse... |
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Posted By: chris
Here are the other 5 panels to the calandar. It definately would be, to good to be true, if it is Matty. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
I don't think that is matty.... and I am usually one of those eager to believe. |
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Posted By: Alan Elefson
Hi- |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
I think it's from a town called Malone, New York. Malone has a Memorial Park, an Elm Street and a school for deaf mutes. Also, the calendar was printed in St. Albans, Vermont, which is actually quite close to Malone ... |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
It's definitely Malone, New York ... Here's a historical photo I found on the internet. The same image is in the calendar ... |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
It's amazing what you can find on Google ... I found an entry in a Vermont history book that said the Northern League started in 1901, and while most of its teams were in Vermont, one team was located in Malone, New York ... |
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Posted By: DMcD
Chris is correct. Here are a couple of links to substantiate it. The ticket was "Wead Library"-thought it was "Mead" first (of which there are dozens)-but only one "Wead", in Malone. |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
Here's the entry I found that mentioned the Malone team ... |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
This link will get you to a list of Northern New York Libraries... |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Does the guy on the left of the calendar pic look like Ruelbach to anyone else (hair, jawline, mouth)? (Pic borrowed from Jeff Kennedy's B/S/T listing.) |
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Posted By: Larry
It does look a bit like Ruelbach. |
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Posted By: Turner Engle
Hey Chris- I am glad you like the piece. I can tell you that that this piece came out of a basement in an upstate New York home, but I think I already told you that when you bought it at the show. It is definitely a cool item, but I think it is just a local college team. |
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Posted By: DMcD
Per "Deadball Stars of the NL" Reulbach pitched for Sedalia of the Missouri Valley League for three seasons in and around 1901 and played for the Montpelier-Barre Hyphens in 1904. From what I learned by perusing the web, the (first) Northern League was an "outlaw" league, and a lot of the players used "ringer" names so as not to jeopardize their amateur standing. Reulbach, for instance, played as "Sheldon" for the Hyphens in '04 and subsequently pitched for the University of Vermont. So if the librarian in Malone does indicate that this was a Northern League team photo of the Malone Question Marks there may still be the wrinkle of pseudonyms. I like Frank's idea of traveling up to Malone. Looks like a lovely upstate New York throwback town. |
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Posted By: Joe
Malone is a nice town. My dad owns a cabin in a small town not too far from there. |
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