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Greatest Living Players - Top 5
All my life it was easy to make a list of the top few living baseball players (non pitchers)...there was Dimaggio, Williams, Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Berra, Clemente, etc...I always included Frank Robinson in that group. With his recent passing who would now round out a top 5 living baseball position players after Mays and Aaron? My thoughts would be the other 3 would have to come from this group...in no particular order...Jackson, Brett, Murray, Henderson, Griffey, Bench, Rose, Schmidt, Morgan and Ripken. Tried to include a player from every position. Would love to hear other opinions.
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Griffey, Jr
Mays Aaron Suzuki Trout |
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Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens, and Barry Bonds would be my picks.
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Aaron
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Okay, so it isn't 5. Let's call it top 10 in no particular order...
Aaron, Koufax, Bonds, Clemens, Randy Johnson, Seaver, Ryan, Griffey, Carlton, Mariano Rivera BTW, I know that people will criticize my picking Ryan (personal bias). Ryan absolutely dominated opposing hitters (7 no-hitters, 12 1-hitters, 5,714 strikeouts). He also left the ML setting (or tying) 52 MLB records. I know from personal experience being a die-hard Angels fan, growing up in So Cal, that Ryan was unfortunate to spend the majority of his career playing for two teams (Angels & Astros) that just did not score any runs. You can't win if your team doesn't score for you. Just sayin'... Last edited by Scott Garner; 03-13-2019 at 08:26 PM. |
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No doubt in my mind that Mays and Aaron are the top 2. After that I'd say Seaver, Schmidt, and Maddux--but a case can be made for Koufax, and a couple of others. Trout? not quite yet. I leave out the players whose names have been associated with PED's.
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My 5
Mays
Aaron Ryan Koufax Seaver/schmidt tie Bonds should be there but I will hold him back as the number 1 until living past greats are gone(pre steroid era). He is the most dominant player i have ever seen at any sport other than Michael Jordan. But right up there.
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Mays
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It won't be a popular list, but:
1) Barry Bonds 2) Roger Clemens 3) Willie Mays 4) Hank Aaron 5) Tom Seaver 6) Alex Rodriguez 7) Randy Johnson 8) Mike Schmidt 9) Greg Maddux 10) Bob Gibson If we exclude pitchers, I'd give those five spots to Rickey Henderson, Joe Morgan, Albert Pujols, Johnny Bench, and Mike Trout. |
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No particular order
Mays, Aaron, Seaver, Pedro, Griffey Jr. |
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A lot of living greats, but I'll pick Mays and Aaron. They might be in the top 5 living and dead, with Mays coming after Ruth.
Someone recently posted a video of Aaron on the Dave Letterman Show, and Aaron was funny and charming. The sometimes prickly Letterman was clearly a fan The video Last edited by drcy; 03-13-2019 at 03:49 PM. |
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top 5
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aaron koufax seaver ford |
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Harold Baines!
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My apologies for omitting Willie Mays.
Obviously he certainly should be on this list. I must say that I'm shocked that nobody else has put Mariano Rivera on this list. I can't imagine a more reliable weapon to have on a team than a closer like Rivera. Enter Sandman... FWIW, I doubt that we will ever see another player as dominant as he was as a closer. The only 1st ballot HOF'er gaining 100% of the vote! Last edited by Scott Garner; 03-13-2019 at 09:21 PM. |
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Almost impossible to pick just 5...
Willie Mays Hank Aaron Sandy Koufax Nolan Ryan Derek Jeter Mariano Rivera Pete Rose Griffey Jr. Pujols Juicers in separate category... Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Arod |
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Willie Mays
Hank Aaron Barry Bonds Albert Pujols Randy Johnson |
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So when MLB did their Franchise Four back in 2015, the winners were:
Aaron Bench Koufax Mays I remember seeing the interview with all four in the studio - great stuff. Personally, my top 5 would be: Aaron Bench Koufax Mays Ryan With the following (in no particular order) rounding out the top 10 Schmidt Seaver Bonds Clemens Ripken
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Dominated with a sore arm and was the best pitcher of his generation. He is top 3, though we were supposed to exclude pitchers. |
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1. Mays
2. Aaron 3. Henderson 4. Griffey Jr. 5. Trout
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IMO, some (ooops! make that a few) of you guys are WAY, WAY OFF!
I think Mays and Aaron are a cut above the rest. ...and I don't rank cheaters...but, that's just me and my bothersome standards.
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I would agree that Mays and Aaron the top 2, but Griffey Jr. would have to be #3 in my opinion (among non-pitchers). Hadn't looked at the stats for Pujols for a while because his career hasn't been as prominent while with the Angels, but they make a strong case for number 4. After that, some great candidates for #5: Schmidt, Murray, Brett, Bench, etc. Trout on a trajectory to get there, and I think he will, but we'll have to wait, enjoy watching him, and see if the continues his greatness.
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Call me crazy
When I included Trout on my list I thought it was crazy as well. Nonetheless the question was who is the greatest living player. I think the 8 seasons he has produced are impossible to deny. I'm not even an Angels fan but I believe we are already witnessing one of the top 5 players in the history of the game and at age 28 he is entering his prime. He is so damn good people forget he is only one year older than Machado and Harper.
Trout vs. All-Time Leaders Through Age-27 Seasons HR TROUT 240 Barry Bonds 142 HITS TROUT 1,187 Pete Rose 899 BASES TROUT 2,219 Hank Aaron 2,305 RUNS TROUT 793 Rickey Henderson 732 WALKS TROUT 693 Barry Bonds 484 His first Eight seasons have produced a Rookie of the year, two MVP Awards, Finished second in MVP voting 4 times and ranked 4th once. He has earned Six Silver Slugger Awards, Seven All Star Games, twice named as All Star Game MVP
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Here is some more #s using the same criteria you used. HR Trout 240 HR A Rod 345 Trout isn't even in the top 10 at age 27 Hits Trout 1,187 Ty Cobb 1,727 Trout isn't even in the top 10 at age 27 Bases Trout 2,219 A Rod 2,899 Trout isn't even in the top 10 at age 27 Runs Trout 793 Mel Ott 1.032 Trout isn't even in the top 10 at age 27 Walks Trout 693 Mickey Mantle 892 Finally a list Trout is really on. He is #10 I did find Trout in one more top ten through age 27 list. He it tied at #6 with Jose Canseco for most strikeouts at 998. Last edited by bnorth; 03-16-2019 at 07:37 AM. |
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I understand Nolan Ryans popularity but Top 5 living player? Ahead of Seaver? No way.
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Hank Aaron
Willie Mays Johnny Bench Ken Griffey Jr. Cal Ripken Jr. |
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You almost lost me at A-Rod. No arguements here when comparing him to the overall best numbers at age 27. However, I was comparing him to the all time leaders in those individual categories at age 27.
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[QUOTE=Forever Young;1862321]Mays
Aaron Ryan Koufax Seaver/schmidt tie That's as good a list as I could come up with
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No Pitchers No Active players No order just those I think a top 5
Aaron Bonds Griffey Jr. Mays Arod Pitchers Seaver Koufax Clemens Maddox Rivera |
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I posted mine, which did not include Pitchers.
But for those who did include Pitchers, I'm really surprised that Bob Gibson's name has not even been mentioned. Perhaps I just overlooked it, but he was one untouchable bad-ass on the mound. |
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Oops... there's Gibby in post #9. Still deserves more love, IMHO.
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If we’re talking top 5 pitchers I’ve got Randy Johnson, Maddux, Ford, Seaver and Carlton. Clemens, Mariano and Pedro’s next. I may have Gibson in the top 10. But certainly not top 5 players.
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I always think you need one "elder statesman" and we have two right now, Aaron and Mays. They were all-time greats, but so were Bench and Schmidt, who are in waiting with Ripken behind them. I am not sure a pitcher can ever ascend to that level. Ryan is the best candidate, though Gibson and Carlton have the resume and Maddux will take the crown at some point. Koufax currently holds that mantel among pitchers, but I don't think a pitcher is ever considered as the greatest living player.
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The most difficult and important position is catcher, and Bench was the best, ever. He has to be in the top 3.
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Whoa Bench is one of my favorite Baseball players but Yogi was better.
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With the various references to Mariano Rivera in this thread, I'm sorry to say that I have a really hard time with the fact that a season consists of 1,458 innings, and on average the Yankees sat him on the bench for 1,380 of those innings.
I suppose if you are arguably one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, spending less than 6% of your career actually playing means... I don't know what it means, I just have a hard time dealing with it. |
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In his defense he spent better than 9% of the post season playing.
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Hi Doug,
I can relate to both of your posts. Although not an everyday player as you mentioned, IMHO Mariano Rivera was the most efficient example of modern specialized pitching. The two things that stand out in my mind as far as what made him special are: 1) How much he appeared in the postseason (your point) and how effective he really was at slamming the door on opposing hitters & ending the chance for a late inning rally. 2) The fact that he had essentially one pitch, that every hitter knew was coming, & yet they couldn't hit it, much to their frustration... One interesting factoid that perhaps some of you don't know about is that Mariano Rivera was actually drafted by the Yankees as a shortstop, not a pitcher. At one of his early stops in the minors a coach noticed the natural cut in his throws across the diamond and suggested the switch to pitching. |
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In regards to Mariano slamming the door on the opposition...
https://www.retrosheet.org/Research/...fTheCloser.pdf He was really good at what he was asked to do, I get it, but so was Eddie Gaedel. Roy Gleason's average at bat produced a WAR of .1. If Mike Trout had a similar average WAR per at bat his career number would be 387 instead of 64.2 Just saying... |
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Interesting read there that I have not seen. Thanks. Your Eddie Gaedel comment cracked me up, BTW. Funny! |
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Almost every player has “cheated” in one form or another.
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Words of wisdom from a Giants fan Rob? I have heard similar sentiments from other Giant fans when discussing the merits of a certain ex Pirate.
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“If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.”
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