General M116 Sporting Life Question

[droid714]

I've looked through old post and couldn't find the answer so I started this thread.

The M116 set was comprised of 24 sheets of 12 cards. According to my math, that comes to a total of 288 cards. Yet there are only 287 cards in the set, not counting variants.

What happened to the missing card?

Any information would be appreciated.

[RCMcKenzie]

Here's a good article on the populations question for this issue. I have a few star cards from this set and used to have a large group of commons from one lot.

http://www.prewarcards.com/2016/10/0...ting-life-set/

[sb1]

The two cards of Jimmy Walsh(gray background and white background) were issued in different series(#20 & 22), thus they are considered different cards in the realm of the set and not variations..OR at least they account for the 24 series of 12 total of 288 cards.

There are of course two series of background color changes Blue vs. Pastel, which the images are also cropped slightly different. And there are several team changes, a few only recently discovered. Lastly many, maybe all of the first eighteen series were reissued in 1912 either as part of different numbered series or team series and had the Series of 300 Subjects backs, but were not in the tougher series 19-24 when originally issued in 1910 & 1911.

How's that for muddying the water a bit more.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by sb1

The two cards of Jimmy Walsh(gray background and white background) were issued in different series(#20 & 22), thus they are considered different cards in the realm of the set and not variations..OR at least they account for the 24 series of 12 total of 288 cards.

There are of course two series of background color changes Blue vs. Pastel, which the images are also cropped slightly different. And there are several team changes, a few only recently discovered. Lastly many, maybe all of the first eighteen series were reissued in 1912 either as part of different numbered series or team series and had the Series of 300 Subjects backs, but were not in the tougher series 19-24 when originally issued in 1910 & 1911.

How's that for muddying the water a bit more.

Well done!

[cubman1941]

Appreciate this thread - I found I have a couple variations I never realized as i hadn't checked the backs.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by cubman1941

Appreciate this thread - I found I have a couple variations I never realized as i hadn't checked the backs.

I like back collecting as much as front collecting. (from the last collection)

[StraightRaceCards]

Trying to understand the M116 Sporting Life Set a little better here.

Does anyone have a master list for every player / front color variation?

I used TCDB as a starting point, but trying to determine what players all have blue/green background vs pastel vs the white/gray front.

Some of the grading companies labeling confuses me as a "Blue Back" to me but the card seems like a pastel in some cases. Do you know why that is the case?

Here is what I came up for hall of famers with based on TCDB:

Solid Blue Background:
Frank Chance
Chief Bender

Blue/Green Background:
Roger Bresnahan
Mordecai Brown
Ty Cobb
Eddie Collins
Sam Crawford
Hughie Jennings
Nap Lajoie
Christy Mathewson
Honus Wagner

Pastel Background:
Frank Baker
Roger Bresnahan
Chief Bender
Buster Brown
Frank Chance
Fred Clarke
Eddie Collins
Sam Crawford
Miller Huggins
Hughie Jennings
Nap Lajoie
Christy Mathewson
Eddie Plank
Joe Tinker
Honus Wagner
Vic Willis
Cy Young

Gray/White Background:
Chief Bender
Frank Baker
Mordecai Brown
Frank Chance
Hugh Duffy
Johnny Evers
Elmer Flick
Clark Griffith
Harry Hooper
Walter Johnson
Addie Joss
Connie Mack
John McGraw
Tris Speaker
Rube Waddell
Bobby Wallace
Ed Walsh

Not my card, but the Cy Young is a good representation on what confuses me for the front color labeling. This to me looks pastel, but is labeled "Blue"

Would also love to see anyone show off their M116's. Looks like it's been a while since that's been done...!


Matt Galvin

[nolemmings]

Here's a link to the Old Cardboard checklist (an invaluable site IMO):
https://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m116/m116SearchIndex.asp
"Blue back" is a reference to the advertising on the back, as the cards can be found with either blue or black print.

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Here's a link to the Old Cardboard checklist (an invaluable site IMO):
https://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m116/m116SearchIndex.asp
"Blue back" is a reference to the advertising on the back, as the cards can be found with either in blue or black print.

To expand on Todd's comment a little bit, the backs of the cards come with several different variations including some printed in blue and black color print. If you look at Leon's image in the post above as an example, both the Conroy and Moren have the same text back, but in different colors. Young can be found with both black and blue printed backs, but is only found with the pastel background on the front of the card. Meanwhile, some players like Wagner can be found with both a pastel and blue background on the front of the card, but only blue printed backs.

[StraightRaceCards]

Thanks guys!

I hadn’t considered the backs, that makes sense!

[molenick]

This is my Jennings pair.

[brianp-beme]

And there is always the mystery hand cut blank back cards...here is my example.

Brian

[Casey2296]

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One of my favorite images of Tris Speaker, I imagine if this image made it to the T206 portrait set it would be one of the most popular cards in the set.

Also, can't go wrong with Smoky Joe Wood.
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[tycobb]

I like them just a little bit.




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