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Posted By: Adam
Does anyone think the bottom left corner/edge of this PSA 3 looks, shall we say, "interesting?" |
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Posted By: Wesley
A bad corner is probably the least of your worries on that card. Interesting to see that card offered again. |
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Posted By: Rick McQuillan
My question is - how did this card get a 3? I have many 1's that are nicer. This is at best a 2, and probably should have been a 1. |
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Posted By: doug Bacon
what will this card go for ? |
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Posted By: quan
this plank should merge with the doyle thread. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
And the previously rejected Jackson thread.... |
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Posted By: jdrum
they're consistent........... |
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Posted By: leon
here is a little bit larger scan |
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Posted By: Adam
Leon, take a look at a big scan like that from the back of the card. |
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Posted By: John
Card is trimmed no doubt it sold raw in a Hunt auction a few years back I was a phone under bidder. I know two folks who saw the card in person and said without a doubt trimmed. It then ended up on ebay from the same guy who bought it as trimmed raw in a PSA 3 holder. In fact the guy made about 14k on the holder dance.... |
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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
Thanks for the BIG SCAN Leon.. it really shows off that bottom edge... As if that would have prevented me from bidding.. Still a beautiful card!!! I love it! Marty |
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Posted By: ebrehm
Here's a scan of the back of the Plank card. |
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Posted By: Steve F
Not so sure the complete 30 seconds was used to scrutinize this one. I've got poor vision but could spot that mullet from a mile. |
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Posted By: Larry
I AGREE WITH RICK!! HOW DID THAT PLANK GET A 3!! WELL THE ANSWER I THINK IS THIS, WHO SENT THE CARD IN. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT "THEY" DON'T KNOW WHICH ORDER BELONGS TO WHOM.NOT SLAMMING EITHER, JUST AN OPINION. AND WE ARE IN AMERICA WHERE WE CAN HAVE OPINIONS, AREN'T WE?? I'm not yelling. so i apologize about the caps. |
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Posted By: Larry
STRANGE, THEY TOLD ME MY FRANK CHANCE YELLOW WAS TRIMMED,MY 4 COBB'S WERE TRIMMED, THESE CARDS ALONG WITH OVER 500 OTER T-CARDS HAVE BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR YEARS, PASSED DOWN BY MY GRANDFATHER.I KNOW ONE THING ABOUT THESE BEAUTS, NOT ONE CARD DOCTOR HAS EVER TOUCHED THEM!! BUT BASED ON WHAT I SEE IN THE PLANK SCAN. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE , I SHOULD MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO SEE A "DOCTOR". Mr Steve Sir, i know where the caps key is! |
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Posted By: Steve F
Actually the internet is Worldwide. |
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Posted By: rand
it reads like you are yelling. please locate the "caps lock" key and press softly. |
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Posted By: leon
It is America and you can voice your opinion on this board. You can't do it anonymously though, as that is the rule. Anymore posts with opinions and you will need to put your name out here...nothing personal. The rule is the same for everyone....best regards |
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Posted By: rand
your workmanship with the Caps button was supurb. |
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Posted By: David M
I'm certainly no expert, but even I can see that's been trimmed on the bottom. That card should be used as an example of how to spot if a card has been trimmed! |
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Posted By: leon
Let me ask a stupid question. What would be the motivation to trim this card? It's a 3...so did they take it from a 1 or 2 to a 3? The corners still don't look too sharp....and if it was done a long time ago I don't think it would like this...If it were done today, why? Just some food for thought.... |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
For those who have doubts or are not quite sure, here is a before and after shot: |
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
Embarrassing is right. These (PSA) are the same people who claim they can distinguish between an 8,an 8.5, and a 9 - but they couldn't see that this card was trimmed? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Well, I'm sure at least the auction description will be amended. Just like the E90-1 Jackson description will be amended. Just like the...(and so on). |
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Posted By: Jero
Kevin, |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
Playing around here. I'm sure someone here is much better at this than I am but I tried my best with a transparency overlay to show just how much was removed. |
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Posted By: Adam
How would you guess it was removed? Sharp knife? Razor blade? What exactly is the likely tool? |
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Posted By: PC
Leon -- I have the same question. What was the point of cutting the bottom? Perhaps it was an attempt to cover over a prior trim to get a numerical grade? I guess it worked, even though it isn't fooling anyone at this point. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
....were cut at the top or bottom for reasons other than fraud. My guess is that the "before" picture above was a result of that kind of trimming -- where the edge is not very good; that the card would not be slabbed as such; and that someone went back and tried to straighten out the trim. |
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Posted By: sporteq
.. for some odd reason the bottom edge looks like a photoshop trim |
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Posted By: joe
I'm with Leon here, why trim the bottom with those corners? |
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Posted By: DeanH
Just for reference. This card sold in Goodwin's Oct 4th 2006 auction for $40,100.40. I believe that is with the BP. |
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Posted By: JimB
Regarding the question about why somebody would trim this card: The difference between a 2 and 3 is about 10-20k. It is not only high grade cards that get altered. Also, the original looks like a rough, period hand-cut that could not be slabbed. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
<<the original looks like a rough, period hand-cut that could not be slabbed.>> |
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Posted By: Jason L
a significant portion of my crappy collection stands to be upgraded! |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Define 'sold.' |
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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
If you gonna Trim the card, at least TRIM it edge to edge so it doesn't look cock-eyed.. The before and after are BOTH look Diamond CUT now. |
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Posted By: Dean H
I can't define 'sold'. Maybe I should have said this card was bid up to that amount. But that is the price I have written down in my catalog from that auction. I usually include the BP when I log in the price. Just thought it was interesting information. It was slabbed PSA 3 at that time too. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Just another day and another Graded card fiasco....except, this day we have 2 of them (T206's - Joe Doyle and Eddie Plank). |
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Posted By: Adam
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yeah, that's the ticket, Joe! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Regarding why a low grade card still might be trimmed: |
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Posted By: scott brockelman
Were his initials D.M. ? |
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Posted By: Marc S.
but the Authentic designation should be there independent of malicious intent, or otherwise. If the card has been trimmed down for grading purposes, for enclosure in a 16-pocket sheet, etc., it is still altered. And the third party graders should not be making subjective judgments as to the intent of the original alterer when deciding to put an "Authentic" designation as opposed to a numerical grade. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Scott- he was J.C. from Brooklyn. I think it was a fairly common practice at the time. And he was as honest as they come, he just wanted his cards to fit into the sheet. |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
Great comment about those 16-pocket sheets Barry. |
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Posted By: scott brockelman
Didn't mean to imply any impropriety. The D.M. I referred to was another old time collector that unfortunately thought it a good idea as well to snip a bit off to get them to fit into the sheets. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
No problem Scott, and I agree completely that cutting down a card to size is a bizarre practice. Back then a T206 common in VG was worth about $4, but that still doesn't justify the act. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Kevin stated it best - criminal! Hey 1 good thing though, if it is slabbed, at least you know it is legit and unaltered. |
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