Fake D304 on ebay- heads up

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Posted By: leon

I don't post too many of these but when I see an auction that looks like it could have legitimate bidders then I feel I should say something. If it helps someone then it is worth it...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-D304-BUTTER-KRUST-CHIEF-MEYERS-VINTAGE-CARD_W0QQitemZ130226022911

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Posted By: Shawn Chambers

Hey Leon,

I'm very ignorant when it comes to this series (as well as lots of other things!)...

What is the most obvious giveaway with this one? I always like to learn ways to spot fakes.

Shawn

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Posted By: JimB

Good eye Leon. I bought a couple of these fakes about twelve years ago at a show. I don't think the dealer was aware either. Robert Adesso kindly pointed the problem out to me. The darker (rather than green) ink on the back and the slightly smaller size are two giveaways.
JimB

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Posted By: anthony

just got removed...

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Posted By: leon

Recently a fraud program was announced on ebay where they are enlisting some members to be "expert informants" for lack of knowing what they call it exactly. A few days ago that program was posted on this board. I got 2 emails from ebay today asking to remove the thread as it is confidential information and should not have been posted publicly. They also said the Net54 member who posted it said that they agreed and would edit it all out this evening. With all of that being said I deemed this an extraordinary situation and deleted the 2 post thread. I also told the 2 folks from ebay about this bad auction. That is the reason it got removed....I am happy about that......

Shawn- as Jim said the lettering was wrong.....and I too, about 8-9 yrs ago, bought one of these fakes...so learned the hard way....to me it was the cream/brown colored borders that matched the uniform that did it...and the card just didn't "look" right....

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Posted By: AndyH

Did anyone happen to save a image of this card so that we might be able to compare it to a real one. I always appreciate a good comparison with explanation by the experts on the board.

Thanks,

Andy

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Posted By: B D

the card was NOT pulled for being fake but for not being certified*
The seller showed me the details of the note he received.

BcD

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Posted By: leon

By ebay saying it had to be certified was the easy way for them to pull it...Kudos to ebay for that one...I don't really care what they say to the seller as long as it got pulled and no one got scammed. I am confident this card will not end up in a legit holder.....

edited to add...I am not sure this was a scam as much as the seller might not have known it was fake...

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Posted By: Tim

In the future once a card like this has been deemed a fake by the experts on the board could the picture be grabbed and posted from the listing? And if not then at a later time a scan of an authentic card could be listed and everyone not familiar with the subtle or obvious differences can learn from them.

A lot of these threads get posted and before members have time to view them, the listings get pulled and the links become useless.

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Posted By: leon

This auction won't be pulled as it's being sold the correct way. The auction that got pulled, and many of the fake D304's we see, will have erasure marks on the back lower right corner where the word "reprint" is....Hope this helps a little...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-D304-GENERAL-BAKING-REPRINT-SET-WAGNER-COBB-YOUNG_W0QQitemZ200229438097