Prove me wrong (T206 No-Prints) and win a free BB Book

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Net54er's

I will present you an excellent BB book...."TY and the BABE" (new book by Tom Stanton).....or, an equivalently priced book
of your choice....for every T206 from the following listed Sovereign NO-PRINT's that you can prove me wrong by confirming
any one of these T206 cards with a SOVEREIGN 350 back.

My following NO-PRINT lists are divided by series....the first group of 62 Subjects are from the 150/350 Series.
The second group of 65 Subjects are from the 350-only Series.



150/350 Series................62 subjects that I claim are Sovereign 350 NO-PRINTS

Ball (New York)
Beaumont
Bergen (bat)
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Bransfield
Chase (pink)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (port)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (green)
Conroy (fielding)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Dahlen (Boston)
H. Davis
Delehanty (Washington)
Doolin
Durham
Evers (port)
Ewing
Ganley
Gibson
Gilbert
Hahn
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Jones (St Louis)
Jordan (port)
Karger
Keeler (port)
Killian (throw)
Konetchy (glove/hi)
Lajoie (throw)
Lake (New York)
Leach (port)
Lindaman
Lobert
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Marquard (hds/side)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillan (ball/hand)
Mullin (horiz)
Overall (port)
Owen
Pastorius
Powell
Ritchey
Rucker (port)
Schlei (catch)
Schmidt (throw)
Shaw (St Louis)
Spencer
Steinfeldt (port)
L Tannehill
Tinker (port)
Waddell (throw)
Wagner (bat/left)
Wilhelm (hds/chest)
Williams

350-only Series...............65 Subjects that I claim are Sovereign 350 NO-PRINTS

Abstein
Adkins
Arellanes
Barbeau
Barger
Becker
Bliss
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Charles
Clark
Clymer
J. Collins (Minneapolis)
Cross
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Demmitt (New York)
Dessau
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Elberfeld (port-Wash)
Engle
Evans
Fletcher
Freeman
Ganzel
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Groom
Hayden
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hunter
Jones (port-Detroit)
La Porte
Lattimore
Lord
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Maddox
Maloney
Marshall
Mattern
McAleese
McBride
McElveen
McLean
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Mullen (port)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Nattress
Phillippe
Puttman
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schlafly
Schreck
Shannon
Sharpe
Snodgrass (bat)
Starr
Willett

If you actually have any of one these with the Sovereign 350 back, I would like to purchase it. Or, trade you an equivalent
T206 (Piedmont or Sweet Caporal) for it.

For you Net54 "readers"....with any of these cards, you can email me at....tedzan11@comcast.net

Thanks for your time and effort.

TED Z

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Posted By: Darren

Ted,

Just checked my Sovereign's and I can't prove otherwise

regards

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Posted By: Craig W

T-Rex,

I checked my sovereigns and can't prove you wrong, either.

(good thing, since I've already ordered "Ty and the Babe")

Best Regards,
Craig

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

A Net54 reader emailed me, who has Dode Criss with a Sovereign 350 back. I will be sending him a copy of TY and the BABE.

This is a new book on this age old rivalry....for a review of it click on this link......

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1209424053/last-1209602203/Excellent+new+book....COBB+vs+RUTH






TED Z

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Posted By: Jim T

I have a Durham Seovereign back but cannot tell what series it is from because there is a piece of scrapbook stuck to the back where the number of subjects is listed. However, I have another Sovereign 350 back that came from the same "find" that has the same glue and scrapbook paper and is a 350 series. It is possible, if their were glued by the original collector, that they may be the same series.

I have never tried to get the paper off the back because the card is pretty poor even if I could get it off. I'll take a closer look to see if I can loosen it up enough to determine which series it is from.

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Posted By: Art M.

Ted,
I have checked out my T206 cards and front/back lists.
The only card that I was able to find on my list was a T206 Jimmy Collins, Minneapolis with Sovereign 350 back. I have not seen this card but it does appear in the SGC pop reports. Could be a grading error as I have never verified this front/back combination.
Regards,
Art

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Jimmy Collins (Sov 350) remains a real mystery. It supposedly exists; however, after sampling 200+ Jimmy Collins' cards
these past 2 years, I have yet to see one with a Sovereign back. Most of them are Piedmont, some are Sweet Caporal,
a few are Polar Bear, and two are Tolstoi backs.....Perhaps, SGC has it confused with the Eddie Collins card (which is
available with a Sovereign 350 back).
Anyhow, Jimmy Collins stays on my No-Print list, until proven otherwise.

Thanks for bringing up this mystery, as your experience coincides with mine.

TED Z

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Posted By: Jim T

Well, I got the paper off and it is indeed a 150 seried Durham.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks guy, nice work. Actually, I would have been very surprised if Durham had a Sovereign 350 back.

Best regards,

TED Z

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Ted,

Congratulations on your Sovereign no-print lists, which are the product of serious study and add meaningfully to the T206 knowledge base. I will keep my eyes peeled with the hope of scratching one or two more off the list. I think I have seen a J. Collins Sovereign 350, but cannot say so definitively.

Scot

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks Scot.....but, as Yogi said...."it's never over, until it is over" (I think he said that).

Anyhow, as you can see, one Subject was knocked off my 1st list as soon as I posted it. I'm 90% certain on the 150/350 list.
But, I'm 99% confident on the 350-only list. Let's see what develops here.

Email sent to you.

TED Z

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Ted

J. Collins that I have has a EPDG back. No Sov. 350 to add.

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Posted By: Jeff Schwarz

I am fairly new to this Board and find the topics fascinating. I completed a T206 set a couple years back with little interest in the backs. After reading your thread and checking, I found a Leach with a 150 back, a Hemphill with a 150 back, and two cards, Hummell and Duffy, with 460 backs. You did not mention the 460 backs in your thread, so I just thought I would mention it. LMK if this helps you.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

I have only two Sovreign backs but one of them is a Duffy 460. Does yours have the border or not? Mine doesn't.

Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I didn't mention the Sovereign 460 backs since I'm focusing on the majority of No-Prints, namely
Sovereign 350. In 460-only Series, 46 of the 48 Subjects are available with Sovereign 460 backs.
The two that were not printed with Sovereign 460 backs are....

Kleinow (Boston)
Smith (Chicago & Boston)

I'm 100% certain of these 2-460 series No-Prints; therefore, I didn't feel it necessary to mention
them here (I did note them in a prior Thread where I listed all the possible Sovereign No-Prints.

While we're at it here, my research also shows the following Sovereign No-Prints in the 1st Series:

Jennings (portrait).....is not found with Sovereign 150, but exists with Sovereign 350
Lundgren (Cubs)
Plank
Wagner (Pittsburg)


TED Z

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Posted By: Todd C

I just purchased a Konetchy in the 350 series...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230249592825&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=013

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Posted By: barry arnold

Sorry i'm late with this.Honeydo list is done---at least for a few days.
I checked my cards, found only 12 Sovereign 350s which were of no help toward your efforts.
Your labors and insights are much appreciated,Ted.

best,

barry

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Posted By: Bill

Ted,

I have 77 different Sovereign 350 cards in my collection. None of the cards are on your list of No-Prints. Bill

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

It's time to reprise this list for Net54er's who like to click on the "bottom of page" link, due to time constraints,
or whatever.

Net54er's

I will present you an excellent BB book...."TY and the BABE" (new book by Tom Stanton).....or, an equivalently
priced book of your choice....for every T206 from the following listed Sovereign NO-PRINT's that you can prove
me wrong by confirming any one of these T206 cards with a SOVEREIGN 350 back.

My following NO-PRINT lists are divided by series....the first group of 62 Subjects are from the 150/350 Series.
The second group of 65 Subjects are from the 350-only Series.



150/350 Series................62 subjects that my research indicates are Sovereign 350 NO-PRINTS

Ball (New York)
Beaumont
Bergen (bat)
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Bransfield
Chase (pink)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (port)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (green)
Conroy (fielding)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Dahlen (Boston)
H. Davis
Delehanty (Washington)
Doolin
Durham
Evers (port)
Ewing
Ganley
Gibson
Gilbert
Hahn
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Jones (St Louis)
Jordan (port)
Karger
Keeler (port)
Killian (throw)
Konetchy (glove/hi)
Lajoie (throw)
Lake (New York)
Leach (port)
Lindaman
Lobert
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Marquard (hds/side)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillan (ball/hand)
Mullin (horiz)
Overall (port)
Owen
Pastorius
Powell
Ritchey
Rucker (port)
Schlei (catch)
Schmidt (throw)
Shaw (St Louis)
Spencer
Steinfeldt (port)
L Tannehill
Tinker (port)
Waddell (throw)
Wagner (bat on left)
Wilhelm (hds/chest)
Williams

350-only Series...............65 Subjects that my research indicates are Sovereign 350 NO-PRINTS

Abstein
Adkins
Arellanes
Barbeau
Barger
Becker
Bliss
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Charles
Clark
Clymer
J. Collins (Minneapolis)
Cross
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Demmitt (New York)
Dessau
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Elberfeld (port-Wash)
Engle
Evans
Fletcher
Freeman
Ganzel
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Groom
Hayden
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hunter
Jones (port-Detroit)
La Porte
Lattimore
Lord
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Maddox
Maloney
Marshall
Mattern
McAleese
McBride
McElveen
McLean
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Mullen (port)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Nattress
Phillippe
Puttman
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schlafly
Schreck
Shannon
Sharpe
Snodgrass (bat)
Starr
Willett

If you actually have any of one these cards with the Sovereign 350 back, please show and tell us of of it.

Also, I would like to purchase it. Or, trade you an equivalent T206 (Piedmont or Sweet Caporal) for it.

For you Net54 "readers"....with any of these cards, you can email me at....tedzan11@comcast.net

Thanks for your time and effort.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Your Konetchy is the pose with his glove low from the 350/460 series. The pose of Konetchy I'm looking for is from the 150/350 series
with his glove high.

Regards,

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Final reprise on this thread.

I find it difficult to believe that my research here is that good, that only one listed No-Print card has been scratched.

Come on Net54er's....check-out the above list....you must have at least 4 or 5 of these Sovereign 350 cards ?

I have given out one book, and I have 4 more "TY and the BABE" books to give out to who ever can prove me wrong
on these No-Prints.

T-Rex TED