1925 or 1926 Exhibit question

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Posted By: leon

I picked this up in a group of Exhibits a few years ago. I have looked through my OldCardboard magazines, and while I have a complete run, didn't see Adam's article (hi Adam), right off hand. I also looked in the SCD for the answer but didn't see it there either, and since it's a slow board day, figure I will ask the question here.. Is this a 1925 Exhibit or a 1926 Exhibit, and do both come as a Postcard? Would the postcard variety add any value to one? regards

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Posted By: dennis

if the name is in a panel it's a 1925 or thats what i think anyway.

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Posted By: G. Maines

It would be nice to have a list of Old Cardboard subjects referenced by Issue No.

VCBC too. And maybe the late Beckett Vintage, The Trader Speaks, and others.
Or any part of the above.

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Posted By: leon

That's what I thought too but I don't see any references to postcard backs on 1925's?

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Posted By: boxingcardman

The cards are not known with a PC back and I have never seen any exhibit with that style of PC back. I suspect the POST CARD is a stamp added after the fact.

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Posted By: dennis

that looks like a "home-made" postcard,stamped on back,not printed.

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Posted By: leon

I also thought the postcard insignia looked hand stamped but I really don't know these too well....Since we are here what about the date of this Heilmann? I can't tell if it's a darn 1922 or a 1926....the printing looks similar and the SCD says that 1926's could have either had a postcard back or not. This one has probably been soaked out of an album to get that overprint thingy on the back.....I appreciate the help on a slow day...regards

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Heilman is from the 1926-29 PC Back Exhibit set (or more correctly 1925-1931) and is from the 1925 printing.
-Rhett

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Posted By: boxingcardman

of entertainment exhibit cards stamped or printed with ads for movie theaters and I have seen a few different home-made PC backs in the past. Nothing of this sort ever by ESCO, though.

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Posted By: leon

For my own knowledge how can you tell it's from that set and not the 1922 set? They look the same to me if there is no PC back....

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Posted By: Jeff Mohler

Hi Leon

The 1922 exhibits have the players name in cursive writing.

Jeff

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Posted By: leon

Thanks Jeff....

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

What Jeff said. Here are some 1922's which all have the distinctive thin cursive names.
-Rhett

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Posted By: BobbyBHockey

Here is a great site for Exhibits:

http://imageevent.com/exhibitman/interestingexhibitcards

Bobby

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Posted By: Lyman

Gil: thanks for your suggestion. We do plan to index all Old Cardboard articles sometime next year. With Issue #14 coming in January, it is hard (even for us) to keep track of which articles are in which issues. Just about all articles are now referenced on the appropriate Set Profile page on the website.

Leon: Adams detailed article on 1925-31 "Postcard Back" Exhibits is in Issue #12. Be aware that there are some Exhibits with postcard backs that are part of other sets (and that some of the 1925-31 "Postcard-Back" Exhibits have blank backs). Because you were trying to identify your card as from either the 1925 or 1926 series (different sets), Adams article may not have been too relevant.

As a aid to help identify a card set to which a particular card belongs, we have provided "Type Card Galleries" accessible from the Old Cardboard home page. For example, if you are trying to ID a certain Exhibit card, just go to the "W (Exhibits) Gallery" on the Type Card Galleries page at http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/galleries.asp. An example of virtually all Exhibit sets is provided for identification. From there, you can also select the image for any set example and you will be linked to the Set Profile page for that set.

Similar identification galleries are provided for most all card groups in the ACC (N, D, E, M, R, T, etc.) as well as postcards, game cards and for the various Wheaties and Zee-Nuts sets).

Hope this helps,
Lyman

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Posted By: boxingcardman

The blank backs were the 1925 first series of the PC back set. They were followed by a printing wth a split format PC back that says "This side for correspondence" on the left, which were in turn followed by various backs that say "not for use in exhibit machines" on the left.

Ghosts are known in Exhibit cards. They do not result from soaking or other alterations. They are wet sheet transfers, same as T206 ghosts. Too bad this one was pasted down; it is a nice one.

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Posted By: Phil Garry

Based on all of the discussion in this thread about the production dates of the Exhibits P/C Backs set, what do you think are the chances of the main grading companies (SGC & PSA) changing the dates of the issue on their new submissions for this issue? Prior labels always show the set as 1926-29.

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Posted By: jeffdrum

Adam,
The SCD Catalog lists a Raymond Powell exhibit in the 1921 set and two versions in the '23-'24 set, one with stands in background and one blacked out. The catalog shows an example that they purport to be the '23-'24 version. I have three examples of this card, two with the stands in the background and one blacked out. My question is how do you distinguish the '21 "Stands in Background" from the '23 "Stands in Background." Both of my examples look the same, white bordered with the script as shown in the '23-'24 example in the SCD. Is there a way to tell which one I have. Thanks for any help.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

Earlier hobby resources break them down differently. According to Elwood "Woody" Scharf, the father of exhibit card cataloging, the 1921 Powell has the stands in the background while the 1923-24 card has the blacked out background. He reported it this way in an article in the 1970s in The Trader Speaks. This would be in keeping with the other reused cards I've seen where the images were changed (e.g., Veach). Beckett's old Baseball Collectibles book listed the 1921-22-23-24 cards as one issue and also reflects only two variations: with or without background. The three-card designation crops in in the standard catalog. Since there were numerous errors in the SCD exhibit lists (I weeded out only the ones in the PC back set), I would not be surprised if there are really only two cards: the 1921 (stands background) and the 1923-24 (blacked out background). I've seen far more of the stands background cards too.

As far as getting the graders to revise dates on the PC back set, SGC has been pretty responsive to these sorts of things when they are brought to its attention. PSA hasn't; at least not with me. But since I'm probably on JO's death list anyhow, maybe someone who has pull with PSA should broach the subject.

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Posted By: Jeff Mohler

I don't want to hijack the thread, but some of the 1922 Exhibits come with a "made in the USA" stamp on the back. Adam was kind enough to supply me with an email stating that this was a factory stamp. SGC listened and upgraded my card from a 30 to an 80.