John Ward auto authenticity?

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Posted By: Scot

Does anybody know what a John "Monte" Ward autograph looks like? If you're an expert or even have an opinion, let me know if this looks authentic to you.
I couldn't find another to compare.

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Posted By: Andrew S.

If it isn't his signature, someone made a pretty good effort to duplicate it. Looks very similar to the ones I've seen. Is that a thick fountain pen stroke or a felt tip?

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Posted By: fkw

A few years ago there was quite a few Buchners from the same collection sold on eBay with the same fake black signatures across the card. They are all non authentic signatures. I used to have a couple of the cards including a different Ward. Except the cards I had the fake signatures was partially erased.

Here are the scans I have saved in my computer.

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Posted By: T206Collector

...would probably be a no no.

SGC/JSA have a $20 service for authenticating and encapsulating signed baseball cards. Can't beat it.

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Posted By: Scot

Thank You for the information.

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Posted By: Ken W.

FKW,
Does this look familiar? I ended up buying this card from you. I never even considered the partially erased name to be an autograph. Just thought someone had written O'Rourke's name across it, long ago.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

if it is not real it's a real good forgery:

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Posted By: Brett

If that signatureis real, then WOW ! That would be cool to own.

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Posted By: Scot

Wow, This thing could be real. It cost me $185 dollars + shipping to authenticate/encapsulate a Ty Cobb signature through PSA/DNA. This card would look good with SGC/JSA holder IMO. I may try authenticating with that comparison. Thanks again for the help.

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Posted By: Fred C

If that signature is real then that will be one heck of a 19th century card. Ward died in 1925 so it's not like he was signing lots of autographs for collectors. I guess he probably signed a lot of documents in his day but you've got to figure the number of cards with his signature is very scarce. Did I use the word "scarce" correctly?

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Posted By: fkw

When these cards hit eBay a few years ago, there were a dozen or so of the cards that had these signatures (all HOFers I believe). Some were partially erased. They were deemed forgeries by people who discussed them on the chat boards at the time (Net54? Fullcount?), but I dont remember what all was said about them.

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Posted By: Ken W.

Hmmm... That partially erased signature on Frank's Ward looks very close to the one Steve posted, also. Gotta say, now I'm just a little intrigued about my Jim O'Rourke.

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Posted By: Scot

Ken, The signatures Ward/O'Rourke appear to be from a different hand IMO. It would certainly be interesting to compare your O'Rourke with a confirmed authentic signature.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

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Posted By: Ken W.

Yeah Scot,

I realize that the signatures on Frank's two cards are from different hands. But each seems pretty close to its respective authentic signature that Steve posted. Frank said that he remembers a discussion about those partially erased sigs on several message boards, and that the conclusion was that they were fake. Does anyone recall why? As I said, I certainly didn't purchase the O'Rourke card thinking that it was autographed. I just thought someone had written his name on it. Now, I'm starting to wonder! Interesting...

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Posted By: Steve Murray

I think there is a 90% chance they are good. JMHO

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Posted By: Chris David

I know that there is a 100 percent chance this item is fake. The sad thing is there is probably a 50 percent chance of getting it authenticated.

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Posted By: Matt

Chris - how do you know? Did you forge the signatures?