Show some Jack Lelivelt cards....

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Posted By: howard

His 1912 International League hitting streak record of forty-two was just tied by Brandon Watson.

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Posted By: Brian Lindholme

This post didn't get any responses...what set(s) was Jack in?
Anyone holding a record for 95 years is cool to me!

Can anyone find and post a Lelivelt card?

Thanks
Brian L
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Posted By: Anonymous

1914 T222 Fatima.

Good luck trying to find the card. It was a short print.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Shortprint underdescribes it... Lelivelt is from the 15th, the last series of T222 Fatimas. This one isn't mine. But I would surely like to own one.

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Posted By: brian p

I believe Jack Lelivelt became a manager in the PCL for Los Angeles after his playing career, as he has three Zeenut cards--in the 1930, 1931, and 1933 Sepia sets.

Brian

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

John Frank "Jack" Lelivelt managed in the Western League, American Association, and the Pacific Coast League. He won 1861 games, lost 1439. He played in 381 major league games, and in 2164 minor league games (although some of those he played he also managed). .301 ML average, .331 in the minors. He was known by his players as being one of the most knowledgeable of the game. His teams won the pennant 8 times, including 4 in a row with Los Angeles (1933-35, 1934 he won both halves of that year's split season). He took over at Seattle in 1938, finishing 2nd, then 1st in both 1939 and 1940, he died in January of 1941.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

1939 Seattle...

In the top row is George Archie, whom I interviewed for the oral history project. Mr. Archie thought the world of Jack Lelivelt, thought him to know the most about baseball. Archie was in the Tigers organization, a firstbaseman stuck in the minors because of Greenburg. He was in the PCL, and played with the Browns and Washington. Mr. Archie was a quiet, thoughtful gentleman. The game could do with a few more men like Mr. Archie.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

And Jack's E254 Colgans Chips...

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Frank, the E254 is of Bill Lelivelt, Jack's older brother. Bill only played for Detroit, Jack never did.
-Rhett

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Hello Rhett... I knew that. And forgot. The old guides had it backwards. I contacted SCD and got them to "fix" it a few years ago. Now here I go making the same mistake. Thank you.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Jack isn't on my E254 up there...

But he is on this T200 premium... On that middle row, second from the right is Ray Chapman, Jack Lelivelt is next to Ray. You can see Jack's left hand.

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Posted By: Zinn

Does it appear in the 1939 Raniers pic that Turpin was added after the team photo was taken?

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Absolutely does. 1939 photoshop.... only the technology has changed.

Turpin was the workhorse pitcher for Seattle. George Archie thought him among the best pitchers he'd ever seen... Hal Turpin won 271 games in the minors. He was 23-10 in 1939, for Seattle, with a 2.50 ERA, pretty good in the PCL. The 23 wins was the season's best. He was 23-11 in 1940, 20-6 in 1941, and 23-9 in 1942, all with Seattle. He was from Oregon. I have to figure that he just liked staying out there close to home and probably passed on a shot with the majors. Some players did that. PCL season was longer, they could make more in a long season out there than they could with a low major league contract over the shorter year. Weather was nicer out there. No time zone disruption. Travel was predictable, they played 2 series each week.

Turpin started in 1927 with the Seals in the PCL, and he ended at Sacramento in 1946.

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Posted By: howard

Thanks for reviving the thread, Brian. I ended up getting a couple of e-mails from some helpful forum members.

Howard

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff