I don't expose many of these fakes on ebay

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Posted By: leon

I don't really expose many of these but for newbies I think there is a good lesson learned here. Probably a good seller and he will be refunding money once any of these are bought. Many times where there is one fake there are more.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZteknapolisQQhtZ-1

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Posted By: Mark T

if he was emailed about it and changed the listing. Many times if you email guys like this they answer with a rude comment or don't answer at all.

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Posted By: leon

Someone did email him in the Cobby listing. He said he guaranteed it to be original. Seems like a good seller that doesn't know.....My only thought here was to show any newbies (we have a few) that many times where this is one fake there are more....For the most part someone won't be selling fakes and originals at one time....So if one looks very fake and the others are questionable then they are probably fakes too.....

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Posted By: barrysloate

Does anybody know who is making all these reprints? There doesn't seem to be a set left that hasn't been done.

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Posted By: RC

Leon,

I believe most of the newbies, myself included, appreciate any members pointing out fake or questionable cards/sellers.

It may seem redundant to the veterans, but a quick explanation of why something is obviously fake is also very helpful. I have learned much in a short time here on the board but without the card in hand, black light, or microscope it is difficult for many of us to know if a card is not legitimate.

RC

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Posted By: John S

Of the three, the T200 Fatima is probably the most realistic. However, opun close inspection of the scan the black borders appear dull. The real Fatima issues have semi-gloss black borders.

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Posted By: Silver King

I am new to this and I am very curious which of the three items being sold by the seller is fake? Are all the items fake? I don't own any Fatima's or E-90's, and I only own one Goudey so my knowledge is very limited. If you don't mind sharing some details I would love to read. Also, do you have an example of authentic cards you can post to compare?

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Posted By: Joe D.

For some reason - the T200 image on the eBay listing is not showing up on my computer... so I can't judge real or fake.

But here is a real one for comparison. And a link to a real set.

http://www.internetville.com/images/thumbnails.php?album=16

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Posted By: leon

Generally the pre-war cards we collect (minus some strip cards) have very good and distinct printing/lines and lithography. All of these cards are a bit blurry...especially the Goudey. The Fatima is way too dark where the light areas are. I was only 95% sure the Cobby was fake but the other two are so obvious it made the Cobby 100% certain....If anyone ever has a doubt but doesn't want to "out" an ongoing auction they can email me or someone else they know for some help. It's a real bummer when someone just getting into vintage gets taken...and it can be too embarrassing to talk about too....but we have all done it....so don't ever feel too bad. I still make mistakes from time to time. Also, most of my issues have come from sellers that don't sell pre-war cards often and have low feedback.....Hope this helps a little...I knew if this post helped one person then it was a good thread.....regards

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Posted By: barrysloate

Most of these fakes would be rather easy to detect if you were able to see them in person, but are somewhat tougher on an ebay scan, especially a blurry one.

Some telltale signs of a fake that can be spotted easily on a scan:

1) colors or photographic quality is blurry
2) borders appear to be wider than on a normal card
3) in most cases the typeface used for the player's name and team is not the same as an original
4) among the more simple to detect is finding a T206 with a red Piedmont back, or some other color that doesn't exist

Having a real example for purposes of comparison is of course helpful. I will say, however, that the fakes are getting better and will continue to be so in the future. And that, of course, is as good a reason as any to buy a graded card.

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Posted By: Ed

who is stew p. dazzo? LOL

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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

The real Fatima cards are quite thin and are essentially photos, not cardboard. These cards look too thick to be real based on the amount of corner layering and rounding.

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Posted By: mr. moses

is pretty obviously fake. Front surface appears to be non-photographic (no gloss or silvering)-the borders and corners show wear inconsistent with how it would actually look if it were in that well-used condition, the back is aged brown and dull (maybe even put in an oven) without exhibiting different SHADES of aging (no staining/spotting), and on and on. It surprises me that a dealer would offer three fakes at the same time instead of listing a few REAL cards in weak condition along with their fake. I didn't look at the other two cards but the Goudey has all the earmarks of not being real just from glancing at the thumbnail..... Just my opinion.

It's hard to make things fool proof
as fools are so inventive........

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Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen

I've never seen a T200 with rounded corners. Due to the brittleness of the paper, the corners will break off when stressed.

The Goudey just doesn't look right, though it doesn't have the tell-tale scuffing where the word "reprint" should be. Looks too shiny or something.

As to the Cobb, I don't have enough experience with that issue to see anything in particular. I'd love to be educated. But to paraphrase Leon's thought, where there's smoke, there's fire.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Neither the typeface nor the colors of the Cobb look right, but I have to admit this is one dangerous fake.

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Posted By: mr. moses

when I was more serious about card colecting I wanted to assemble a checklist of ALL the reprint sets on the market. Larry Fritch used to have advertisments for many sets and I figured that would be a good place to start. I never did it as the reprint issue no longer just a manufactured industry. In today's super fast world of super computers, super copiers and home printing capabilities - I think many people can make reprints that mirror real cards when they are at the very least seen only on the internet, and might fool even the savy collector in person (although card stock issue and inks become problematic and depending on how much they want or need to "trick" you cost prohibitive as well). There is no substitute for experience and a measured approach. Lots of people out there looking to seperate you from your money.