T206's....show us your BROAD LEAF's

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I will start with my two.....guaranteed not to be soaked....bathed....or showered.
Hopefully, we can get back on track with some plain old "dry" Tobacco cards.

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Posted By: Ed McCollum

but Photobucket and I seem not to be getting along. I've got a Casey with 350 Series and an O'Leary with a 460. Sorry, Art, it's still not for sale.

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Posted By: rob

here are two, and the Lennox is on ebay right now! I also have a snodgrass and dunn....

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Posted By: MVSNYC

i have a vg common (350 series) PSA 3 (will double check who the player is tonight)...

anyone have a 460 they would like to sell or trade?

MS

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Posted By: Art M.

Here are a few of my T206 Detroit players with Broad Leaf backs:



Unable to attend team photo today - Stanage, Summers.
Being held hostage in Omaha - O'Leary.

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Posted By: Travis Anderson

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Posted By: Sean

Here is my new guy...



Sean BH

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Posted By: barry arnold

I have a jack hayden Broadleaf 350.
I am waiting for Barry Sloate to put the 'picture post'on here for me.

all the best,

barry

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Posted By: MVSNYC

my BL 350 is fred beck, PSA 3

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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo

My newest Broad Leaf (you can just make out the miscut on the back as well):

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Posted By: Dylan

There was a thread about the highest graded drum back, whats the highest graded bl 460 back you've seen?

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Posted By: MVSNYC

as i mentioned in the reading show post...

a very nice dealer had a cy young, clove sgc 5.5 & a walter johnson, chest sgc 5...my eyes jumped out of my head...both were the cleanest BL 460s i have ever seen...

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

SGC 70

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

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Posted By: MVSNYC

...i'm confused...are these yours Brian? these were the exact ones that this dealer had at reading...they were slabbed SGC 5.5 & 5...

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Posted By: NetJr

Sorry I don't know all the ins and outs of posting images here; but here are the links to the broadleafs we have in our collection at cardtarget.com:

http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1049452954
1909-11 T206 Christy Mathewson (Broadleaf 460)

http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=2100007530
1909-11 T206 Danny Murphy (Broadleaf 460)

http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1391550096
1909-11 T206 Gabby Street (Broadleaf 460)

And our set of 36 different T206 Backs which includes a 460 and 350
http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1753677064

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Posted By: Mark Tylicki

http://www.rustywilly.com/largecards/BeckleyJake.htm

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MY COLLECTION: http://www.rustywilly.com/MYCOLLECTION.htm

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Posted By: robert a

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Michael.
No the cards aren't mine, but they were offered to a friend before they were holdered, and he sent me the scans. I will say that the Johnson was offered in the Mastro auction in Dec of 2005, and sold for about 5500.00 which was an absolute steal!!! Had I not already spent about 25,000 that month, I would have bid heavily.
There is a story behind the cards, but I believe I will let my friend and fellow board member fill in the blanks.

To my knowledge there are several more high grade 460's around including the small find made by former board member James Verrill: Here is the list I have:
Mordecai Brown SGC 60
Charles O'leary SGC 60 Hands on knee
Joss VG/EX
The rest are lower grade with a few 3's and 4's, with O'leary, Reulbach, and Joss showing up multiple times. I have heard that a nice Dark Cap Matty is floating around, but don't have a scan.

I will post scans of my 10-12 Broadleaf 350's later, as I am out of 460's


Be well Brian

PS Anyone know where James went too..........

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

This Joss came from another board member who got it from James Verrillhttp://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165935928.JPG

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
Didn't have time to scan, but here is my list of Broad Leaf's:

Abstein
Arndt
Bresnahan (2)
Casey
Chappelle
Kruger
Malarkey
Mitchell
Murray bat
Myers bat
O'Brien
Paskert
Titus

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Posted By: Nathan

Come on, who has the Dummy Taylor broadleaf? Reveal yourself!

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Scans not needed, Brian W....your word is as good as "gold".

Between several T206 surveys and the cards shown on this Thread (so far), I can account for 75
different T206's in the set with Broad Leaf 350 backs....and, I'm sure there are more.

Also, an interesting pattern appears.......if you correlate these Broad Leaf 350's to the previously
posted "Sovereign 350 - No Print" list of 60 cards, nearly 1/2 of these No Prints (26) are subjects
that apparently the T206 planners decided instead to print with BL 350 backs.

And, this seems plausible, as Sovereign & Broad Leaf were from the same Factory #25, 2nd Dist. VA

So, come on guys....stop hiding your BL 350 cards....let's see if we can attain at least 100 different ones ?
T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Judson Hamlin

My 460 is a Snodgrass and the 350s include Huggins, Blackburne, Freeman, McGinley & Mullen (port).

Good huntin'

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks Judd

That raises the Broad Leaf 350 tally to 77 different T206's.

I will list all 77 (or more) when time permits.

Ted Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
Check your list of missing Sovereigns againist known Broad Leaf's, Carolina Brights, and Tolstoi's and they begin to appear. And the add American Beauty's and they are all accounted for.

I will post my numbers on each when I have a chance, but out of the 68 missing SOV'S from your original list 47 have been confirmed with Broad leaf backs. I'll fill in the other data later.

Something to think about Brian

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

BRIAN WEISNER.....you are a WISE man....I look forward to your analysis.

I have compared my SOVEREIGN "No-Print" list with the availability of American Beauty backs,
but I have not done a comparison with TOLSTOI, or your favorite....CAROLINA BRIGHTS.

I'll again study the surveys for these 2 backs and I will include POLAR BEAR, also.

One more BROAD LEAF 350 from my collection.....

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Posted By: Drew

Hi Ted
I have two broadleaf 350 cards.
Burchell and Downs.


Drew

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

THANKS guys....for all your pix and inputs on your BROAD LEAF 350 cards....let's continue
to get more.

To date total = 77.....interestingly, the majority of Subjects are Minor Leaguers and there
are only 5 - HOFers....Beckley, Bresnahan, Huggins, Joss, and Speaker.

Abstein
Adkins
Arellanes
Arndt
Barry..A's
Beck
Beckley
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Bush
Butler
Carrigan
Casey
Chappelle
Charles
Clancy
Delehanty..Louisv
Dineen
Donovan..throw
Downs
Engle
Freeman
Ganzel
Graham..Boston
Graham..St Louis
Grimshaw
Hallman
Hartsell
Hayden
Howell..port
Huggins..hds/mouth
Davy Jones
Joss..pitch
Killian..port
Kisinger
Knabe
Kroh
Kruger
Lennox
Maddox
Malarkey
McBride
McGinley
McGlynn
Mitchell
Moran..Chi
Mullen (port)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Nattress
Oakes
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Purtell
Quillen
Rudolph
Schreck
Sharpe
Slagle
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Strange
Sweeney..bat
Taylor
Titus
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Zimmerman

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Posted By: leon

1909 T206 Broadleaf350 Moeller-NJ

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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo

Ted,

A Marquard portrait with a BL 350 back sold on eBay yesterday. That makes 6 HOF's

Best regards,
Ray Piskadlo

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Posted By: rob

Ted,

you neglected to add my Meyers, fielding and Dunn to your list.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
I have seen all of the possible 350 only subjects with Broad Leaf backs except for these:

Jack Barry
Peter Cassidy
Ray Demmitt NY
Joe Doyle Hands over
Jerry Freeman
Fromme
Graham Bos
Groom
Del Howard
Huggins Hands at mouth
Kleinow NY
Mclean
Rhoades Right Arm out
Rhodes
Schlafly

Be well Brian

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

ROB

Sorry, and thanks for bringing this to my attention.....I did list your Lennox, which was one
that was unconfirmed prior to your information.

I will update the list with your additional inputs as soon as you to tell me which Dunn ?

There are two of them in the 350 Series....Jack and Joe.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Great, another previously unconfirmed BL 350 card.

Dan Moeller is on the front of the only DRUM back that I have in my T206 back collection.

Thanks,

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
Read my post above, and it will save you a lot of time. I have listed the subjects which HAVE NOT been seen with Broad Leaf 350 backs. Be well Brian

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I indeed read your post.....and, I do understand that these 15 you listed were never printed
with BROAD LEAF 350 backs. Therefore, we can expect to find 192 cards from the 350-only
Series with BL 350 backs......do you agree that this number is correct ?

I arrived at 192 by subtracting 15 from 207 (the total number of 350-only cards in the set).

Anyway, in this Thread we have so far accounted for approx. 1/2 this number of cards.

TED Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
No, that's not what I'm saying. I posted the 15 cards that "I" have never seen with Broad Leaf backs, but they may in fact exist. the other 192, if that's the number I have seen and they do exist. So you can narrow your search to those specific cards that haven't been seen yet......

Sorry, for not making it more clear, but my typing is weak at best. (5-9 fingers on a good day.


Be well Brian


I'll also try to list the Carolina Brights I know to exist later...

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED....list of confirmed....BROAD LEAF 350 cards

THANKS guys....for all your pix and inputs on your BROAD LEAF 350 cards....we are about 1/2 the way
through a possible 192+ cards with this tough back.

To date total = 83.....interestingly, the majority of Subjects are Minor Leaguers and there
are only 6 reported HOFers....Beckley, Bresnahan, Huggins, Joss, Marquard, and Speaker.

Abstein
Adkins
Arellanes
Arndt
Barry..A's
Beck
Beckley
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Bresnahan..bat (this card has been reported 4 times)
Burchell
Burke
Bush
Butler
Carrigan
Casey
Chappelle
Charles
Clancy
Delehanty..Louisv
Dineen
Donovan..throw
Dorner
Downs
Dunn..?
Engle
Freeman
Ganzel
Graham..Boston
Graham..St Louis
Grimshaw
Hallman
Hartsell
Hayden
Howell..port
Huggins..?
Davy Jones
Joss..pitch
Killian..port
Kisinger
Knabe
Kroh
Kruger
Lennox
Maddox
Malarkey
Marquard..port
McBride
McGinley
McGlynn
Miller..Pitt
Mitchell
Moeller
Moran..Chi
Mullen..port
Murray..bat
Myers..bat
Myers..fldg
Nattress
Oakes
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Purtell
Quillen
Rudolph
Schreck
Sharpe
Slagle
Snodgrass..bat
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Strange
Sweeney..bat
Taylor
Titus
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Zimmerman

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Posted By: rob

joe dunn

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Posted By: NetJr

Just curious if anyone is going to catalog the 460's listed as well as the 350's? Shorter list - should be easier to do.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

NetJr

You have a great idea....why not follow it....yourself ?

Ted Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Yes,


I will fill in the known 460 list;


Mordecai Brown Chicago (HOF)
Al Burch (fielding)

Ty Cobb Red Portrait (HOF)
Ty Cobb Bat off Shoulder (HOF)

Harry Davis (Philadelphia, Davis on front)
Patsy Dougherty (arm in air)
Tom Downey (batting)
Kid Elberfeld (Wash., fielding)
Johnny Evers Chicago (yellow sky) (HOF)
Walter Johnson Glove at Chest (R) (HOF)
Griffith Batting (HOF)
Addie Joss Hands at Chest (HOF)
Red Kleinow Boston
Ed Konetchy (glove near ground)
Christy Mathewson Dark Cap (HOF)
Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
George Mullin (with bat)
Danny Murphy (batting)
Charley O'Leary (hands on knees)
Ed Reulbach (no glove showing)
Nap Rucker (throwing)
Germany Schaefer (Washington)
Cy Seymour (throwing)
Fred Snodgrass (catching)
Jake Stahl
Gabby Street (catching)
Jeff Sweeney (New York)
Vic Willis Throwing
Cy Young With Glove (HOF)

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

BRIAN W

We can do both, simultaneously......continue adding to the long list of confirmed BL 350 cards.

And, seek out your short list of 15 possible "No-Print" cards.
OK, you serious T206 dudes we are really looking to see if anyone has the following cards with
BL 350 backs ?

Barry..Milw
Cassidy
Demmitt..NY
Joe Doyle
Freeman
Fromme
Graham..Boston (this one has been reported in Super Set SS)
Groom
Howard..Chi
Huggins..Hands/mouth
Kleinow NY
McLean
Rhoades..Right Arm out
Rhodes
Schlafly

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Posted By: Jerry

I own a Barbeau BL350

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Posted By: NetJr

Ted I would except I am pretty darn clueless when it comes to these cards; and thanks Brian W. I much appreciate learning from someone who knows how to present them.

Earlier I read there might be only 40 or so Broadleaf 460's known? Is that true? Its interesting that 28 of them can be listed here. Very intriguing.

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Posted By: Judson Hamlin

Is listed in both. I have seen McLean and Rhoades w/Broadleaf backs, but none of the others.

I can't wait for someone to take on T205's with this detail (Piedmont 42's anyone?)

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Posted By: Marc S.

I have a Knabe BL350

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi TED,
Sounds good, I just wanted to make sure you and I were on the same page.
Talk to you soon Brian

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

OK, I have received several emails from "readers" with additional BL 350 inputs......
and I thank you, guys. I will update the long list sometime in the next day, or two.

JUDD

I am not sure in your recent post if you are providing inputs on BL 350's or BL 460's ?

I can see that this Thread can become confusing, unless we separate these 2 subjects.

I think a separate Thread should be started just on BL 460 backs....they are certainly
significant enough to devote a specific Thread strictly on them.

Also, to respond to your last sentence....I have been considering starting a Thread on
PIEDMONT 460 Fac. 42 NC.

T-Rex TED