1933 mel ott, real?

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Posted By: Anonymous

I was wondering if this card is real or not? could someone please get back to me because im deciding if i should buy it or not.

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Posted By: Dylan

scan of back?

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Posted By: Anonymous

theres not one

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

In recent years Goudeys, Dia. Stars, and Play Balls have been reproduced to such an accurate
degree with respect to the fronts of these cards that it is very difficult to discern a "fake" as
viewed on a computer screen.

However, the backs of these "fakes" reveal that they are phony. Although, the backs of these
cards are very good reproductions, there is a "pinkish" tint to the normally white cardboard
back of these cards that betrays them as phony.

I have deliberately purchased a few of these "fakes" off ebay so I could get a close look at
them.....so beware.

TED Z

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Posted By: Anonymous

i got a scan of the back of the card so i was wondering if anyone could tell me if it was real or not based on the 2 pics of it. i would greatly appreciate it because i am just getting into the vintage card collecting.

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Posted By: joe

The back has the pinkish tinge like Ted said, so I would say fake.

Joe

Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: Seth B.

Actually, i think the pinkish tinge is bleed-through from the front of the card, suggesting it might be real. Either way, these Goudey's are often reproduced, and as Ted said, it's often real hard to know for sure from a computer phot. For someone starting off in collecting, I might suggest sticking with surer cards and better scans.

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Posted By: Anonymous

yea i kno what u mean, but if its real then it is a deal of a lifetime so im kinda goin back and forth between what to do

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Posted By: leon

If the seller will guarantee it's real, and you can verify he's good to his word, then go for it. If he won't then I would pass if I were you. Actually I won't usually buy anything unless I have a guarantee of authenticity....best regards

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Posted By: Anonymous

what is the best way to get him to guarentee it is authentic so that it is official

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Posted By: mark

I check this auction and it seems like everyone is happy with what they got. Although he could have bought it and found out its a reprint, then tried to sell it. He could take better pics, plenty of glare.

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Posted By: Anonymous

yea that why im not sure what to do

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Posted By: JK

To me, the reddish tint on the reverse also looks to be bleed through - which suggests that the card is authentic. If the seller confirms via email that he will accept a return if the card is not authentic, I would take a chance, but only if you are able to pay with a credit card via paypal. If the card ends up being fake and the seller refuses to accept a return despite the promise/guarantee, then dispute the charge with your credit card company.

If the seller wont guarantee it up front, assume its fake.

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Posted By: E, Daniel

Looks maybe handcut all round. Right side is non-existant, Left flares out, bottom seems to tail up......
I'd say stay away, and seriously - 'deal of a lifetime'? On a 33' Ott?
They'll come again, at good prices, and in much more verifiable condition if you ask me.

All the best collecting.

Daniel

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Posted By: JK

These cards typically have pretty thin borders - I dont know that I agree that this one is trimmed. However, while your asking for guarantees, make sure he will guarantee its unaltered/untrimmed as well.

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Posted By: E, Daniel

but take a look a the scan of the front of the card, and the amount of border top left edge, and then over to the right edge......when the right border tends to be real skinny, you usually at least have a good solid fat white border on the left all the way up. This one is miniscule on the right, thin on the upper left - and flares out as it goes down..

Daniel

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Posted By: leon

Listen to JK. Last week I bought a few Cracker Jacks from a seller that I had bought something from on ebay. I got the card from the ebay sale and it was fake. I returned it and he reluctantly refunded me. On the 2 Cracker Jacks from him, that were fake as 3 dollar bills, I sent them back to him the day after I got them. I sent them USPS and sig confirmation. He refused the package and said "how do I know you didn't switch the cards?". He never opened the freakin' package I sent back AND had scans of the two fakes BEFORE he sent them to me. So now I am out $350 from some yahoo in Michigan..Had I done paypal with a credit card I wouldn't be out any money......at least I got to nail the guy with a negative as he had already given me positive feedback on the previous transaction.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180059880341

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Posted By: JK

You may be right - just cant say for sure.

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Posted By: fkw

Authentic.

The back color you see is overprint (wet sheet) and is a good sign. The card looks authentic in every way, good border width, good card stock, good border color, not cropped photo, the back is the right green and shows overprint.

I'll buy it.

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Posted By: E, Daniel

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Posted By: Anonymous

how much would u guys pay for that one on auction?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The 1930 - 1941 "fake" cards that I am alluding to in my prior post on this Thread have all came
from a "yahoo" in the greater Detroit area. He keeps changing his seller's name and his location
about in Michigan.


The reddish image (if this is this case) due to "wet ink" sheet piling is a very distinct impression
of the front of the card. The poor scan notwithstanding, if the entire back of this card has
a pinkish tint to it, it's a recent reproduction. Goudey backs are normally quite white.
Except, of course, when the front image is tranferred on the back.

If I get a chance later, I will scan the F/B of one of these vintage "fakes" that have been
circulating on Ebay in recent years.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I just checked the link to this "yahoo" that you provided. I would bet anyone that this is the
phony seller that's been circulating the fake T-cards, E-cards, Goudey, Play Balls, etc.

Save that link to this guy.....and within a week or two you will find that he is no longer
a registered ebay seller. He usually never gets more than a 100 # in his FDBK profile. He then
takes the money and runs before he can be hit with "tons" of NEG. FDBK. And, in a week or two
he's on ebay again with a new "name" and a new location (still within the greater Detroit area).

Still ebaying his reperatoire of phony cards. These cards are unbelievably real as viewed on
a computer screen. He usually will not show the backs. I have to run now, but later I will display
a 1941 Play Ball I won from him (only paid $10 for it) to get a close look at one of his cards.

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Posted By: Brian

Leon--

was that Caramel Cy Young real at least? Based on the link you provided and the description (Vg-Ex--not), I would have run like hell from that auction, too.
Brian