re trimmed cards

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Posted By: Brueso

so let me get this straight- I was under the impression that PSA would encapsulate cards they suspected of trimming and give it an 'authentic' tag. But I spoke to someone at PSA and they said that they generally don't encapsulate trimmed cards? What causes them to give an "authentic" tag then?

I have some E92s that I bought from Mike Wheat about 4 years ago- clearly some of them (if not all) were trimmed at some point (as Wheat pointed out on his website). Should I just not bother to try to get them encapsulated by anyone? I realize that because they're trimmed, many (and certainly probably everyone on this board) wouldn't be interested in them. But regardless of the trimming, they filled some spots in my collection for some years, and they're of course beautiful images.

Thoughts?

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Posted By: JimB

I have a couple of "Authentic" cards and both are printers proofs that were hand-cut, not trimmed with the intent of deception. But I thought that all 3 of the big grading companies would authenticate trimmed cards if that is what you ask for. They used to reserve that designation for premier cards like T206 Wagners, Cobb/Cobb back, etc., but I thought they had become a lot looser these days.
JimB

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Posted By: MVSNYC

hi, i was just on the phone with PSA regarding a seperate matter, after i saw this post...so while speaking to them, i asked them about the "authentic" labeing, they said it is usually only reserved for special/rare cards (i.e. wagner, proofs, etc)...it has to be approved by Joe Orlando, and is a case by case decision.

are your printers proof cards, T206? i would be very interested in talking to you about them, if they are.

Regards,
Michael

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Posted By: JimB

I have two E93 proofs and one T206. Drop me an e-mail if you want to discuss them. The E93s are authenticated by GAI and SGC. The T206 is authenticated by PSA.
JimB

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Posted By: Sean BH

SGC will label them AUT if you want them to. Just write on the submission form, "Please label any upgradeable card Authentic."

Sean BH

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Posted By: MVSNYC

just emailed you Jim (re) T206 proof...

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

If you admit that they are trimmed and guarantee their authenticity, I see no reason to get them graded.

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Posted By: Brueso

well, some folks on here as I recall said they'd be more interested in a card if it has the AUT designation and is encapsulated so it was clear it wasn't colored, etc. But I guess if it just says "AUT", there won't be an explanation as to why they think it's AUT. Also, my personal preference is to have cards encapsulated, but I guess since I'm looking to sell them, my personal preference doesn't matter (and is probably a waste of $$).

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Posted By: Cobby33

I like the "AUT" designation, as it guarantees the card isn't a fake.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Id be satisfied with a Mike Wheat provenance coupled with an admission of trimming and the right price. These cards will sell right here, Id bet.

Lotsa guys here can determine authenticity on their own.

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Posted By: MINE'S MINT

if one were to admit the cards were trimmed then id have no problem purchasing them raw.. the whole preference of having the authentic grade holder is so that i as a purchaser know that the card is in some way compromised.. protecting myself from a dealer who otherwise would not disclose the true condition of the card in question.. the reassurence of knowing that the card is authentic is a bonus but as stated above most people would know right away if the card was a fake.. so its more a question of integrity then authenticity.. the other nice thing about purchasing the card pre-slabbed is that the card is encapsulated and protected.. but thats a different issue..

psa/dna authenticated signature -> Richard M.

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Posted By: leon

I sold a card over the weekend that I didn't think was trimmed, from my website. The board member asked me if there were any hidden issues. After combing over the two raw cards I told him I thought one was in fact trimmed and lowered the price substantially. The other one was fine except for a few light spider creases. He bought the trimmed one. I guess it's a utopian wish to think all, or most, dealers or flippers would do this? I know many do but my guess is that more don't than do... BTW, the trimming wasn't too bad but I didn't need a 3rd parties help to determine it.... It was raw and I compared it to others I had...

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Posted By: Brueso

I opted to send them to SGC and indicate they should "AUT" any they deemed trimmed. In some cases it was somewhat obvious- in others not as much. I can't remember for sure which ones Wheat indicated upfront were trimmed. As I recall, I didn't get all of these from Wheat. They look to me like they all might have been trimmed.

thoughts re the below- the Magee very obviously looks trimmed. But with the Davis and the Schmidt- while two corners are rounded- does that the other two are not indicate conclusive dealer trimming, or are there un-altered similar cards that look that way (factory size adjustment?) Given how clean the images look, it makes me wince to think that someone thought they would 'improve' the appearance- I'd love to see what they'd look like with 'fat' borders all around!

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Posted By: jay behrens

I'd say they all looked trimmed. Most have tell tale bat ears. Regardless, they are still outstanding looking cards.

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: Jason L

I apologize for the ignorant question, but I know of no better place to ask it than this board on a "trimming" thread!

I recently got back a Mantle card from PSA with the dreaded Evidence of Trimming...this is my first experience with this, and I was wondering if I could ask some of you to list a few things to look for to determine if a card is trimmed???
Smaller overall card size, I understand, but what other clues are there?
Thanks!
Jason L

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Posted By: leon

The best way to tell trimmed cards is by looking at tons of cards over and over...however some of the telltale signs are:

1. wavy cut (almost always trimmed)
2. Two corners are sharp and 2 are rounded (they don't wear this way naturally)
3. major size variance....be careul as some issues do have size variances and are not trimmed....although many times these won't get slabbed due to miminum size
4. Anything in a PSA8 or above holder (that's a joke...most of the times)

If you look for numbers 1 and 2, and continue to handle cards all of the time it will become easier. I still can't tell sometimes and I have handled 10's of cards good luck out there......and remember caveat emptor

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Posted By: Josh K.

dont forget "bat ears" - where the edge raises up ever so slightly as it nears the corner.