Help re. cabinets please.

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Posted By: martindl

Any thoughts on these two cabinets please. Image at left, photographer COOK of Boston, has a lace-up shirt, which may just have been the attire for the day. Guy at right has a faint WOOD PHOTOGRAPHEA NEWARK stamp on back. I don't think either are baseball related, but thought I'd throw it open to the good folk here.

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Posted By: Matt Goebel

Caruthers

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Posted By: George H. Counter

Neither

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Posted By: mark t

Looks like a young Adolph Hitler if his stash was a bit smaller.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Definitely Cap Anson on the left and King Kelly on the right.

-Ryan

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Posted By: David Smith

after he had taken steroids and his head really grew.....

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Judging from the eyes of the guy on the right, Id say that he would have no problem following Wilhelm's knuckler.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Looks like Bill Cody and Bill Hitchcock :-p

Jay

A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: davidcycleback

If the cabinet is from the right period, it could be argued that the guy on the right is in baseball uniform.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Definitely Willie Nelson in the middle.
Sorry, I could not help myself.

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Posted By: jay behrens

I think I found Waldo in there somehwere.

Jay

A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: Anonymous

David and Matt, thank you.

I guess with the jocular subject title i should have expected the same in return, so i changed it in the hopes of eliciting some help. Lesson learned.

The gent in the cab at right does look very much like Caruthers in his N162 pose. I know we've focused on ears in the past when trying to match images, and this mans ears are a dead on match. Obviously much more hunting to be done on my part. Does anyone have any facial photographic images of Caruthers?

David, I have your book on Judging the Authenticity of Paper Photographers and based on the info in it, the cabinet is early.

Gil, the image i posted isn't the best, but the man is definitely not crossed eyed.

Thanks for any help.

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Posted By: George H. Counter

Yeah right, caruthers!
Come on!
The guy is probably joe somebody who was a railroad worker.

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Posted By: martin dalziel

George,
Thanks for your well thought out response and for your help.

Rather than just spouting off, would you like to suggest why this is probably a railroad worker or should the cap be a dead give away and if so, what it it about the style of cap that makes it so? Any explanation for the neck attire? Is this too consistent with what railroad workers wore? Have any insight or links that you might be able to share.

Some people actually come here to try to learn and thankfully I see a lot of people trying to help others do so. I haven't seen any contribution from you whatsoever to this board, so maybe you should just skip the threads where help is asked.

As i said originally, I don't think either of the images are baseball related - was just looking for some meaningful dialog on the matter.

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Posted By: Clint

Could be a baseball player and railroad worker. Santa Fe Railroad team.

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Posted By: George H. Counter

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Posted By: barrysloate

After years of doing photo i.d. on 19th century players, the most difficult aspect for me are those darn mustaches. In a way they make all those old timers look vaguely familiar to the guy you hope it is.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Facial identification of photos takes practice, and can be difficult when na limited number of images exist. When in doubt it's probably not the person. Realize that any high school has a student who resembles someone famous, whether it's a young George Bush or a young Dianna Ross. So if you you look through a mound of photos of unfamous people, a few will somewhat resemble someone famous.

If the photo is a news photo or stamp of a celebrity photographer, then it makes it more likely, or even probably, the person is the famous one. If the cabinet is of the right age for the age of the person, and the studio is in his home town, it makes it more likely.

I once had to judge if a teenager was someone famous by comparing it to two images of the famous person in his seventies, bald and about 150 pounds heavier. I can't remember what was my verdict, but it likely was "Don't know."