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Posted By: leon
Since there is so much debate about graded vs non graded blah blah blah...I wanted to do a quick test. One thing I have wondered about is "Should I get my "for sale" cards, that are in gd-vg condition, graded?" I am talking about sub $250 cards. I think anything over that is pretty easy and most should be graded, to get the best price. So here's the particular question. Let's say I have a common E92 Dockman in nice gd-vg, on my website. Would you pay more for it to be in an SGC30 or PSA2 holder, than if it wasn't slabbed? Would you pay more than the $12 or so it takes to get it graded, over it being raw? All cards have nice big front and back scans..... |
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz
If it isn't graded and I do not know the Seller, I will not buy it. I think you might not necessarily get more for the card, but it may sell faster. It just gives the buyer the extra guarantee that the card is legit. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Leon, that depends. How have you priced the card? Is it really G or is it VG? Have you already priced it at a VG (or even a VG/EX) price? Raw is a gamble for the seller and the buyer both. If the card is a $200 in SGC 30 and $350 in SGC 40 and I have priced it at $265, I lose as a seller if it comes back at the lower grade and win if it comes back at the higher grade. |
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Posted By: John S
If I knew and trusted the seller it wouldn't make a difference to me...same price. If I had intentions of moving the card on eBay within the next year or two I would probably pay more for the graded card because my returns would likely be greater. |
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Posted By: Charlie O'Neal
I actually overlook cards that are ungraded. When throwing money out for the cards I enjoy I go after graded ones since in the end there will be no suprises. While you (or any other seller) may state that the card is in Good conditon who's to say that it's not been altered ot trimmed. In the experiences that I have had over the years weither it's a T206 or 2006 if the card has any value at all and is ungraded I assume that any grade associated with that card is over graded. With so many cards that are out there that are actually over graded and people becoming more leary of buying ungraded cards, by selling graded you give they buyer peice of mind and will be able to push your cards out at a faster rate. |
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Posted By: cmoking
How often have you guys heard this following description: |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I've collected vintage sets card by card, purchasing them advertised as Near Mint. Maybe one in 10 would ever be graded Near Mint by a third party grader. Of course, a graded card would sell for more than the same card raw because the seller, most likely, is trying to make more money rather than less. |
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Posted By: Tim Newcomb
Previous posters, in their haste to hijack the thread into another celebration of those beautiful hard plastic slabs, have pretty much failed to answer Leon's initial question, which I take to be not a philosophical question but a practical one: |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Geez, it looks like another one of the grumpy old slab-haters has been provoked again. No offense Leon, but I trust SGC more than I do you. I trust them more than me as well. Tim, to play Devil's advocate here, I offer this scenario based upon me being a hypothetical raw-only collector: I would pay more for an SGC VG/EX graded card than Leon's self-described VG/EX card and crack it out. But again Leon, I offer this caveat -- as a seller of low grade cards, you may be risking money if it turns out that SGC is a tougher grader than you are. |
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Posted By: Anson
From you, I would buy them either way. |
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Posted By: bigfish
Leon, |
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Posted By: Larry
I am big supporter of grading also support non grading...All Grading services are too strict regarding blank back cards that have very minor back damage yet they might have nice fronts but without grading services, it would be the wild west. SGC , GAI, and PSA all have a specific service to collectors and dealers and have more knowledge than the lower tier grading services. |
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Posted By: Dave
I wouldn't hesitate to buy from Leon or most of the board members, even if I hadn't done business with them before. But, the members of this board are a small fraction of the available buyers. They don't know the reputation or integrity of Leon or anyone else. |
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Posted By: Joann
I say no - don't get them graded. Third party grading has an important place in the anonymous and arms-length transactions of internet trading. But if it is someone that you have reason to trust and/or has a decent return policy, I don't think it's needed for lower end cards. |
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Posted By: leon
Nice responses elicited so far. I put the "big clear scans of front and back" comment up for a purpose, so folks can make their own decision on the grade. Even on my site I generally will not put a grade for raw cards. I will put up big scans or send more if need be. I will give another comment or two after I see if there are any others that chime in. I hope there are. And at least on one point Tim is correct...it is a known person....and to David's point I take no offense. I trust SGC more than me by a little bit..not on the grading as much as the catching of an alteration. |
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Posted By: Al Crisafulli
Leon, I know you a little bit, find you very knowledgeable and trustworthy, and would never hesitate to buy a card from you. |
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Posted By: Scott T
I prefer to buy graded cards from Ebay because I do not (usually) know the seller. I have also bought raw cards from the B/S/T Forum and have found them to be fairly graded, unlike many of their Ebay counterparts! |
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Posted By: andy becker
i would slab them, leon. for me it wouldn't ever matter if a card was raw.....but for the masses you must conform |
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Posted By: Paul
If I know the seller pretty well, & the front/back scans show the card clearly, I wouldn't pay more for graded. However, I do usually stay away from raw cards if those conditions are less than stellar. |
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Posted By: Bob D
If I've a nice scan of the card and I trust Leon (I do), why do I want to pay a premium ($12) for someone (SGC, PSA) to give me their opinion on the card. I'd rather split the difference. $6 to me and $6 to Leon. I could but a few beater 39 Playballs or even a T206. |
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Posted By: Bob
I have learned the hard way not to buy slabbed cards without a scan. Even your beloved SGC can be all over the place on cards ranging from 10-50. Just when I think I know what consitiutes a PSA 2 or SGC 30 or GAI 2, I get a clunker in the mail that looks worse than some I have seen in 10 holders. I guess the bottom line is to educate yourself on condition and grading as much as possible, ask for nice scans and go from there, slabbed or unslabbed. Don't rely on grading company grades sight unseen. If you want to make sure the card is authentic (most likely) you are safe with the Big 3, but as far as grades go, it is still subjective IMHO. |
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Posted By: HandsAtNeck
Only the best will do. But is PSA or NGC's opinion more reliable than Leon's? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Let's recall....before Grading and before Ebay we went to shows and bought or |
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Posted By: Steve K
The answer is real simple...if I can see the card in person, I don't care whether it's graded or not...if I can't see the card in person, it has to be graded for me to buy it. |
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Posted By: Bob
But Steve, do you need to see the card (scan of card in holder)or would you buy it just because it says SGC 30? A lot of people buy cards sight unseen (I have done this before) without seeing the scan because it might be a card listed in the BST thread and you are afraid it will disappear if you don't strike fast. |
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz
Hey, check out Ebay item # 8792567899. Sorry I couldn't get the link. It's a case that holds 30 SGC graded cards for display. I have 2 of them and they are very well constructed of solid painted black wood and Plexiglas. Super for displaying your newly graded SGC cards. I would have your cards graded. Display for all to enjoy, rather than locked in a closet. They are the finest of art works. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
to remove the slab as soon as I get the card home. Auction houses know most people want graded cards (or a guasrentee that the card will grade, so they get the cards consigned to them graded, often at their own expense.) Rob Lifson spends so muvch ink contradicting the grading companies, ususally to say they grade to low, but occesaonally that they grade too high--I really don't see why REA goes tro the bother and expense--yes, I do--cause they know most of you only want graded cards...period! |
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Posted By: Chris Mc
I prefer graded cards and will pay a premium for (SGC) cards. I have a couple of small ones running around and I like to have them (my cards) protected. I also like the way the cards look in the holders. There are many benifits to buying a graded card as opposed to raw for me. It is only my preference. I have bought ungraded cards and had them graded, no big deal. That being said, I would be willing to pay a little more for a graded card, provided it's in a SGC holder. The jury is still out on the other three grading companies. |
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Posted By: Martin Neal
I prefer to purchase ungraded cards. The only time I will buy a graded card is if it is going into my t205 set. I can't recall ever buying a graded t206 although I am sure I have bought one or two. I have probably purchased close to 2000 of them in the last 4 years. I have only purchased one t206 that might have been an fake (it was a very good one if it was) and one group of 50 t206s that were trimmed. Both times the sellers were gracious enough to take them back. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Everyone seems to have lost focus. The question is not, graded v raw. The question is, would you pay more for graded v raw IF YOU WERE DEALING WITH LEON. |
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Posted By: Chris Mc
Leon, I would pay you more for cards that you had graded as opposed to raw. |
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Posted By: Rick
I would probably pay Leon the same price wether graded or not ...but only for cards that would not leave my collection. |
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Posted By: Alan Zimmerman
I would buy ungraded cards from an online dealer, but the cards would have to be at reduced prices. |
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Posted By: Rick
I will always pay more for graded cards. It is easier for me to resell these cards in the future, it saves me the hassle of sending them in for grading, and it gives me peace of mind that I am getting what I am paying for. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
I think that I buy ungraded when I think I am getting a deal (buying at a discount) - |
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Posted By: Rob
As altered, trimmed, or another reason which even a reputable seller may miss and which won't show up on even a good scan. I've got burned once like that by a reputable seller (more than made up by for by buying other ungraded cards at a low price, getting graded, then selling). I sent in the card 6 months after the purchase, so it wasn't realistic to try to get a refund. |
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