At the fort show...............

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Posted By: scott ingold

I stopped by Teds table, As i'm sure most of us do and wanted to say that people like him just settle me down when i believe that our hobby is only filled with sharks and con men.

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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

Scott:

Ted's a good man, but did you expect differently of someone with Jersey roots?

Was looking forward to seeing you, but had to bug out early. Maybe we can hook up down the shore (when my wife isn't working me like a rented mule fixing up the summer house).

There was a nice Net54 contingent (John Dreker, Jay Miller, Scott Mosley, Keith O'Leary, Dave Stinsman and Fred Cowles on the phone while I was there) there to see Dan McKee's Alpha Engraving cards for the last time as a set before their new owner collected them.

Unfortunately, it wasn't much of a buying trip for me. I hope you at least bought your daughter a card!

Kevin

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Posted By: scott ingold

Kevin,

How right you are, and yes........well kind of Ted gave her one of his t206 wagners. I just showed her the SMR for it and it made her whole day. of course she does'nt care if it's a reprint or not. He had some great T cards. I bought about 20 of them and spent a good hour or so just shooting the breeze.

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Posted By: Alan

Ted is one of the nicest, down to earth people that I have ever met at a show. He always has time to talk to all collectors, even novices like myself.

Alan

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Posted By: Keith O'Leary

I also came home empty handed but enjoyed looking at the Alphas as well as seeing Dan, Scott M, Dave S and meeting John D, Kevin C, Don J and Andy C. Its fun sitting down and talking vintage with a bunch of people who love it like we do, wish we had more time to do it eye to eye.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

You (north) East Coast guys have got it made. Fun shows and lots of great material! I've been to one Fort show (a few years back) and throughly enjoyed myself.

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Posted By: Charlie O'Neal

While I didn't pickup any vintage cards, I did learn alot more about vintage cards and got to see/hold some cards that I will never own myself which was nice in a weird way. Overall it was a great experience and met some very nice people.

Anybody here buy a T206 Keeler bat at the show?? Just wondering if a board member got the card I was looking for. I guess next time I need to fight traffic and go on a Fri.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks Scott, Kevin, and Alan for the nice comments.

Another great Philly Show....sold "tons" of T-cards;
all "RAW" ones, mind you....over 200 of them. Mostly
T206 cards, from crisp HOFers to less-than-Vg "junk-
ers" in my "Junk Box".

Only acquired one walk-in, but it was "sweet". A guy
who comes often to the show with "esoteric" type cards
traded me his Ty Cobb 1907 Dietsche post card for my
N162 Fred Dunlap, T206's LaJoie (throwing) and Marquard
portrait.

And, his wife goes thru my post-war "junk box" everytime
and cleans me out of 1949 Bowmans. What a great couple.

Next post I will list all the Forum 54 members that I had
a great time chatting with and conducting some business.

T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: Anonymous

Ted,
Any clue where the show will be held in Sept '06?

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

This card generated a lot of interest at my booth this w/e
at Ft. Washington. And, can anyone tell me for certain that
this is considered his "true rookie" card ?

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Being that it is a Postcard...

I can tell you for sure that there are a lot of folks who do NOT consider it his "true rookie card."

Some folks will never consider a Postcard to be the same as a "real" baseball card.

I don't know if anyone would consider a Postcard featuring Mickey Mantle in 1965 to be a "real" baseball card, so I guess the same standard applies to something from 1907.


Personally, I think the Postcards are COOLER when they are USED.

I would love to have a Cobb Postcard from that set that was postmarked in 1907 with a cool old message written on the back!!

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Posted By: identify7

To answer your question, Ted:

No. There is no rule which is universally accepted which can “tell you for certain that this is considered his true rookie card”

Being that it is a Postcard... It is a card.

I can tell you for sure that there are a lot of folks who do consider it his "true rookie card."

Although some folks will never consider a Postcard to be the same as a "real" baseball card, postcard back Exhibits are collected with the same enthusiasm as those without the postcard back.


Personally, I think the Postcards are COOLER when they are USED.

I would love to have a Cobb Postcard from that set that was postmarked in 1907 with a cool old message written on the back!!

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Hal

This one has a really clean back; but, like you I prefer
some personalized writing and a postmark on p/c of this
type.
I am sure most on the Forum are familiar with this p/c;
but, for those who are not, when I get a chance I will
feature it (front & back) on here.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Hal

Do you classify Exhibit cards in the same category with Postcards ?

I ask, only because there is a 1966 exhibit card of Mantle that is
very tough to find and usually sells for up to $1000. Four exhibits
of Mantle were produced, three are full poses; but, the fourth is a
portrait pix. This one is highly sought after by exhibit card collect-
ors (and especially Mantle collectors). It has proven to be a very
elusive exhibit card.

I only brought this up in response to your earlier comment on this
Thread.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Ted:

I do not consider them to be the same... but others may beg to differ.

To me, I think you have to consider the INTENT of the item.

A "postcard" was intended to be written on and mailed... not collected in large numbers or in pristine condition.

An "exhibit card" was intended to be purchased solely for collecting and NOT to be written on or stamped, etc.


Thus, there are many more people who consider Exhibit cards to be "real" baseball cards than people who consider "Postcards" to be "real" baseball cards.

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Posted By: Mark Evans

I don't beg to differ but would be curious as to view of Adam or other Exhibit experts on the question of whether vintage Exhibits were intended for collection. It would seem that those with postcard backs were intended for mailing. I should think the same as to those with blank backs but I sure don't know. And, those with redemption backs were presumably intended to be cut up for coupons. If so, then I guess those with combination redemption/postcard backs were intended to be used for either purpose but, again, not as a collectible. Frankly, I think the cards are pretty neat and can't imagine anyone mailing them or cutting them up, but then again I wasn't around in the 30s. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Mark

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Posted By: identify7

Well, I certainly agree that the "intent" of the item is a pivotal consideration in the determination of whether an item is a baseball card, however, I contend that the "intent" is not dictated by the item's mamufacturer. Hence, if Grandma remembers that her grandson likes Cobb, and mails him a postcard of Cobb for that reason, then the original purchaser has identified the object as a baseball card. And no 21st century expert can refute her determination.

Edited to add: Heck, some kids have been known to cut up boxes which contained pictures which they wanted eventhough the manufacturer of this pagkaging probably never imagined that the pictures on his box could be viewed as a collectible; in other cases, it appears that the pictures on the box very well may have been intended as collectibles.