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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
Havn't seen any T206 boxes in a long time on eBay. (Fraudulent or Real) Hopefully now, people will finally get a real understanding of how scarce these things really are. I believe they're only less than 100 boxes that survive. (Authenticated boxes) What do you think? |
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Posted By: Scot Reader (ebay: sreader3)
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Posted By: pete
is an empty Sweet Caporal, factory no. 25, 2nd district of virginia...but with a tax stamp of 1903...it contained 10 cigarettes and looks just like the authenticated ones that contained a t206 card. the tax stamp has the act of march 2, 1901 on it as well. however i have been told by members that "yes it could of been since tax stamps were used for several years" and "no because it doesnt have the correct tax stamp, 1909-10"...so, im guessing we'll never know...but i keep it since it is pretty cool and its still affiliated with the t206 cards. |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
A true T206 pack would have a tax stamp dated 1909-1911. It should have the right factory number, district & state as well. It should have only 10 cigarettes in a slide & shell box. Exception: Polar Bear (pouch) Ty Cobb (Tin) and El Principe De Gales (Pill box type) If it has overprinting on the tax stamp it should read 1910 or 1911. |
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Posted By: Scott Mosley
Richard, |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
I have 8 boxes myself. All of which have full tax stamps. (Tax stamps are on the top or bottom of the box) The only others boxes that would be difficult to authenticate on an opened box would be one that has a tax stamp of 1909-1991 without any overprinting. I've heard that persons have purposely removed the overprinting on certain boxes that had the wrong overprinting to deceive. |
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Posted By: Andrew
I enjoy these threads about unopened T206 packs, but seem to see more information about those that DON'T contain a card. Roughly how many members here have possesion of packs with a card inside, or is it not possible to tell? Any scans? |
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Posted By: Scott Mosley
I was just curious what collectors like yourself would consider "authentic" boxes. |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
If I can, I'll scan some of my boxes @ 300% tomorrow morning. You'll be able to see the complete tax stamps with overprinting along with the factory, district & state. |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Here is one... Scott, in response to your question, most of the T-206 boxes, in general, had their tax stamps affixed to the back of the box as opposed to over the "slide" portion. This, of course, depends on the brand. However, even slide and shell boxes (such as Piedmont), usually have the 1909 date portion on the front panel as opposed to the slide section of the box. Subsequently, even a broken box would have a 1909 tax stamp showing, and there should be some overprint ink showing as well. Lastly, I want to point out that 1909 tax stamps are almost always found w/o overprinting. They are the "best" packs to authenticate. In 1910, the tax stamps were again updated and the 1910 stamp was used. Very few boxes 1909 were crossed over in later years and overprinted. On the other hand, a lot of 1903 tax stamped boxes can be found with '07 and '09 overprints, and 1910 tax stamps can be found overprinted all the way to 1919. |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
Clearly shows overprinting of 1911. Right factory, district & state. Without a doubt, this box had a T206 in it. |
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Posted By: Scott Mosley
I don't think there is any question about that but I was hoping that you had an example of a box where the tax stamp was placed over the end of the box where the stamp would have been broken when opening the slide shell. |
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Posted By: DJ
With such uncertain items and a hobby/business with such a high level of fraudulent activity, has anyone or does anyone know about perhaps finding out it's contents inside by using...say an X-Ray machine of some sorts? |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
My Piedmont and Sweet Caporal also have tax stamps like yours. (On the side of box) But, my Piedmont has "See that seal is not broken" on the end of the box, and "Allen & Ginter Branch" on the long side of the box. (Factory 42!) My Sweet Caporal doesn't have overprinting, so this one would be questionable as to whether or not it had a card in it. But everything else makes me believe that it did. |
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