T206 Demmitt and O,Hara

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Posted By: cn

I just noticed that Scott Gaynor has a Demmitt going up on E-Bay this week and was just wondering which of the 2 cards are rarer and the approximate number of each one.

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Posted By: John

Both cards are pretty tough, I myself have found the O’Hara card to be a little tougher or coming up less frequently compared to the Demmitt. Most of the Demmitt & O’Hara’s that surface for sale are on the rougher side of the condition scale, for obvious reasons. Finding them crease and or stain free can be a tough one.

As far as numbers I have no idea exactly how many are out there. But have noticed that most sets or near sets that surface for sale in major auction houses are minus one or both, if they are included they are lower in grade most of the times. I’ve also noticed they tend to come in swings, one year having 5-10 of each one offered then a few dead years with only a few of each being offered for sale. This year there have been a lot in my in opinion.

Price ranges have been around the numbers below for this past year and this year. Those cards have ranged between Pr and EX.

Demmitt: $800-8500

O’Hara $950-11,000

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Posted By: dan mckee

Both are about the same in toughness, O'Hara draws a tad more premium. Tough T206's. The toughest behind the Doyle, Wagner, Plank, Magie.

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Posted By: JimB

I agree that they are about equal in toughness. Most here probably know how difficult they are to find in nice condition because they only came in Polar Bear packs of scrap tobacco and thus were much more prone to staining and and creases than their T206 counterparts. I will take a shot in the dark here and guess that if there are approximately 60 Wagners and Planks, there are probably 300-400 Demmitts and O'Haras. Anyone else want to venture a guess?
JimB

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Posted By: jay behrens

I just chuckled thinking that 300-400 cards is rarity when you look at the t207 pop report in the VCBC article about t207s.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: John

I would guess there are about 250-300 of each of the Demmit & O’Hara give or take a few. I would say you’re about dead on Jim. As far as the Wagner I would say closer to 80-100 of those out there, Magie around 150 or so. Plank and Doyle being the hardest to obtain as far as availability. Price is whole other thing all together.

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Posted By: Dave H

John, those are beautiful specimens!! I wish I had both of those. I myself have an O'Hara and its listed here...

http://nationalsportscards.com/view/card.asp?ID=799

i hope this doesn't break the rules.

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Posted By: Zach

but isn't it priced a bit high ? Another gai 2 recently for under $1300.

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Posted By: Dave H

yes its priced high.

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Posted By: John

Zach,

I think the price seems fair maybe a bit high if you were too shop around and wait for a deal. But I think David’s right around the number people seem to be willing to pay. And correct me if I’m wrong no juice on NationalSportscards.com? I’ve never used them before.

Just glad I decided to buy mine when I did. LOL

http://209.120.239.133/displayitem.php?item=43&category=Closed%20Auction

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Posted By: JimB

Jay,
Sure they are not rare when compared with a number of other vintage cards and sets. The Wagner isn't either for that matter. But when one matches supply with demand, they both become hard to find and valuable. I think it would be hard to argue that the T206 set is not the most popular pre-WWII set. I think the only one that approaches its popularity in terms of numbers of collectors is probably the 33 Goudey set.
JimB

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Posted By: cn

I was surprised that the Demmitt GAI 2.5 went for over $1900. I thought it might sell for between $1000 and $1300.

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Posted By: Seth B.

I always understood these two shortprint cards, along with the likes of Elberfield's Washington portrait or the rarer versions of Lundgren and Browne to be sort of early "Traded" cards. That is, the reason for their shortprinting being that the players changed teams during the T206 three year run, and were released in later or earlier serieses with different teams.
However, these are probably the rarest of the sort, and it just struck me that these two cards, seeing the beautiful examples posted here, are both St. Louis.
Does anyone know if this is a coincidence, or is the team here in any way responsible for the short printing?

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Posted By: Robert

I won a complete set of T206's minus the big four which I am going to break up and sell off. The condition is mostly VG to VG/EX. The Demmitt is graded a GAI 3, I have not gotten the set in but willing to take any requests from the board on purchasing any cards.

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Posted By: Brian

Robert:

I am interested in one particular card...please check your email

thanks

Brian E.