Joe Nuxhall who?

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Posted By: John(z28jd) 

Anyone else find anything interesting about this former player?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chapmfr01.shtml

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Posted By: Paul

14 1/2? I wonder if that's just a typo.

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Posted By: John(z28jd)

I actually read it somewhere else then checked it on baseball reference.....I wonder why you never hear about him when they mention youngest players?

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Posted By: jay behrens

Another plug for SABR. If you belong, be fure to sign up for the SABR-L list. This topic was just covered in the last week or so and they talked about all the players that were younger than Nushall.

If you have any interest all, and by colelction vintage cards it shows you do, then you should join SABR. The amount of information that you can learn incredible and the books that you get each year are more than worth the annual fee. Also, they is no requirement that you do any research, but any help you can provide to those doing research is always appreciated.

here is the link if you want to find out more:

http://www.sabr.org

Jay

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

How about the oldest? Paige, Olivo, someone else?

Gil

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Posted By: Judge Dred

Minnie Minoso - probably/possibly the oldest

Fred Chapman pitched in one game, it was listed as complete and it lasted 5 innings. Did they have the 5 inning rule back then? SABR to the rescue I hope.

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Posted By: rhys

Nobody knows anything about him and there are no known photographs of him. That is why you never hear anything about it.

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Posted By: John/z28jd

Hey Rhys,there seems to be alot of info about him and he lived a long time so im sure somewhere theres photos of him and more than likely living relatives or aquaintences. Usually if you know what he bats,what hand he threw with,when and where he was both born and died(85 years) and his height and weight,im sure theres more info than just that available.There may be no baseball photos of him but that doesnt make him obselete

He was still alive when Nuxhall made his debut,wonder if he questioned the story when it came out.I know i would and in all reality it shouldnt matter if the only thing known about him is his date of birth and even if he made one pitch,if hes the youngest known player he should be recognized as such

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

A 5 inning complete game, with neither a win nor a loss. A 6-6 tie? Strange indeed.

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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

.....according to the Guinness Book

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=45648

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Ties were alot more common back then and if you check out the team stats youll notice they played 137 games with a 64-69 team record,meaning 4 tie games

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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

According to Nemec's The Great Encyclopedia of 19th Century Major League Baseball:

"...Chapman, just 14 years old, started in the box against Cleveland's Mike Morrison and trailed 6 - 2 after 5 innings. He was spared the loss, though, when Philadelphia scored two runs in the sixth and Cleveland then clashed with umpire Mitchell (first name unknown) over whether Henry Larkin of the A's interfered with Blues catcher Pop Snyder allowing Harry Stovey to escape a run-down and get safely to third base. According to Sporting Life, "while the matter was being discussed, Mr. Mitchell, to the surprise of everyone, gave the Athletics the game (by forfeit)."

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Posted By: todd (nolemmings)

Yes I know that ties were more common in the 19th century, but a 5 inning tie? Seems an even stranger (but true)explanation-- a forfeit, not a tie.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

It's like Gordie Howe staggering around the rink in his 70's to say he played in six decades. The oldsters I know of were as follows:

Minoso: pinch hit at 59. 1977 Topps has a commemorative card
O'Doul: pinch hit in the PCL at 59
Paige: hard to say precisely how old he was, but he pitched at least a few games in the mid-60's for Miami's minor league team, when he was around 60 years old.
Nolan Ryan: deserves honorable mention for draggin' his butt out there at 47. As a power pitcher.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Who was the oldest rookie? Diomedes Olivo, Satchel Paige, or someone else?