Ty Cobb postcard on Ebay ?

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Posted By: Halleygator 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=4127227340&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

How is it that PSA says this is from 1907 ... when Bob Lemke and all others say it is from 1908 or 1909??

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Posted By: Halleygator

The difference ... of course ... is huge for us "rookie card" collectors, since anything from 1907 would most likely be considered his "rookie" issue.

Thoughts?

Is it from 1907?

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Posted By: Rhett

The postcard in question is absolutely from 1907. Within the last year I have seen several cards from this set on ebay that were postmarked 1907.

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Posted By: halleygator

Hopefully Mr. Lemke will see this and make the change in his next edition of the bible.

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Posted By: runscott

The 2004 SCBC has "1907 Wolverine News Co. Detroit Tigers".

Where are you all getting "1908 or 1909"? Old catalog?

But back to the "rookie" debate. If postcards are printed over a period of years, then only the ones postmarked "1907" can be verified as true rookie postcards.

Also, if you leave out postcards, is my e102 Cobb still considered to be his rookie? BTW, Greg is right that my entire card collection is worth less than $500. I plan to sell everything but the Cobb, and it only cost $498

Are there good arguments for other cards being Cobb's rookie? e.g: e95?

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Posted By: Halleygator

Yes ... all I have here at work with me is the old Catalog (2002 - not too old).

I am not a big fan of postcards anyway ... so I consider the 1908 card to be Cobb's rookie "card" ...

but how sure are we that IT was really printed in 1908?

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Posted By: runscott

What year were these cards printed? Lemke says the following. Are there any other candidates for the Cobb rookie?

E102: no earlier than mid-1909
E95: 1909
E90-1: 1909-11, with the bulk produced during the first year
E92: 1909-10 (Crofts Candy, Crofts Cocoa,Nadja)
T206 (150 series): 1909

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Posted By: Halleygator

but I agree with the "new way of thinking" in that ALL of the cards you listed were printed in 1909, including the E102 set.

I just can't see one set like E102 coming out totally by itself a year before everyone else did it ... especially with how similar all the card appear.

I think the Ty Cobb rookie "card" would be any of these 1909 printed cards. Postcards excluded.

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Posted By: Halleygator

Why would the E101 set be from 1909 and the E102 set be from 1908?

I just don't see it.

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Posted By: Mike Williams

wasn't the W555 in the running as Cobb's RC many posts ago?

MIke

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Posted By: Halleygator

Strip cards that have to be cut off a box do not qualify as "cards" to me. They aren't too much different then the magazine photos that one clown cuts out and sends to ASA for grading and then sells as "cards" on EBay.

Just my opinion.

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Posted By: Mike Williams

Hal...while I'm not a big fan of cards affixed to a box, I do consider them cards and much different than a pic cut out of a magazine. Orange Borders, Darbys, Wheaties and Post would be just a few examples. Food for thought, take care!

Mike

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Posted By: Halleygator

Darby's, Wheaties ... GOOD PUN!!!

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Posted By: runscott

I think that if the picture was meant to be cut out as a card (like Post Cereal cards of the early '60s), then it's a card;otherwise, it's a picture on a box. I personally don't care as much for the "cut your own card" cards - printed image is normally inferior to real cards - but I think you would have to consider them "rookie candidates".

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Posted By: runscott

...good "Post". argghh