I've now lived long enough to see vendomecat lose an auction!

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Posted By: todd (nolemmings)

Assuming vendomecat's a private collector who hasn't flipped his e-bay winnings, the guy must have an awesome collection. Anyway, I feel honored to come within $10.00 of him on this beauty:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745011951&category=31721&rd=1

Talk about throwing away the price guides. If any of you has a GC Miller in this condition that you'd like to move to a happy home, let me know.
todd

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Posted By: Marc S.

I think that 1933 George C. Miller's are basically one of those sets that are simply so rare in ANY condition that the vast majority of collectors shy away from putting the set together in any condition. Even the one or two people I know who have hands on the set, they seem to purchase them in those exceedingly rare opportunities when lots of the card are available -- I don't even think a complete set has ever been offered.

For $1,000 -- there are NUMEROUS vintage pre-war cards that cannot even be touched for such a "small" amount of money. Millers' are so tough to find uncancelled to begin with, that to find a Hall of Famer in excellent condition seems to be rather extraordinary (debate aside as to whether the card is VG/EX or EX). In terms of long-term value -- I think that this is the type of card that would be a great investment should anyone ever put together a serious effort to put together a strong set.

Personally -- I would be very happy to own a cancelled set that is has that perforated diamond cancellation as opposed to those that have the bottom cropped off. But, perhaps, I would just be happy to own an Ivy Andrews card.

I was surprised, actually that there was not more action on this card. Just my thoughts, of course.

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Posted By: TBob

No other explanation...
Congrats on a nice acquisition.

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Posted By: Marc S.

Vendomecat actually lost on a fairly absurd auction recently, too:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2744566585

Now, as I am a Mike Schmidt collector -- I can pretty much look at an auction like this with the smug satisfaction that I recently purchased a 1982 Topps Sticker Box for $5, had PSA grade my Schmidt for $6, and own a similar PSA 9 for $11 -- plus a whole host of other stars from the set for inexpensive prices. I honestly do not know why (m)any people would be paying this much for modern stuff that is reasonably obtainable through self-submissions.

That being said -- the person who bought it is a really nice young guy who seems to also love Schmidt cards a lot, and sometimes gets caught up in those that he wants to add to his set.

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Posted By: murcerfan

on a rediculously priced '62 football common in psa 8, I can fathome only 2 other collectors in the world who would pay more than 100 bucks for this, and we all drew straws. His motivation for this is beyond me other than it currently has a population of only 2; at least until i go back to grandpa's attic and bring down another vending box to grade out.

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Posted By: brian parker

I have been active in the vintage bb card hobby for over twenty years, and rarely have I seen the diamond punch cancellations on the Miller cards. In quantity they would definitely pale in comparision to the 1/3 off the bottom type of cancellation. Sometimes it seems half of all the available Millers out there are those 2/3rds size babies.

Anyone out there think differently? Or have owned, or think they have seen on a more frequent basis, punch hole Miller cards?

Brian

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

Have only seen one or two - did get several hundered 33 goudies from my grandfather with punch holes that he had punched in a drugstore in the thirties

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

Bob Richardson had a couple diamond-punched Miller's the last time I saw him at a show in NH. I'd take the bottom tab missing anytime; both had their faces marred by the unusual redemption device.

Goudey withheld the Lajoie card, but at least they did it w/o malice - Miller just wanted to save having to send out a box of toffees for the lucky completist.

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Posted By: brian parker

To me the desirability of a card that has been punched depends on the location of the punch(es). Here is an example I think most people would find unappealing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2746223694&category=31718

A nice looking card, just an unfortunate gaping hole in Ty's eye socket. Put it down in the lower half of the card, and a lower condition collector like myself would love to add it to his collection.

Brian