Most under-valued vintage set?

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Posted By: runscott

My bro asked me this question, and I thought it best to pass it by the rest of you. I can think of sets that are selling low now compared to scarcity (OBAKs, for example), but value implies popularity among collectors as well. Any thoughts on sets that are low now but have a good potential to pick up in the future?

Good opportunity to plug sets that you have dupes in! (or send novice collectors off in search of crappy cards).

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Posted By: Keith O'Leary

My vote goes to the S74 white silk set. I've collected these silks for 15 or so years. I bought them whenever I could find them with backs. 15 years ago I wouldn't have hesitated to pay 50 dollars for common with a back as it was meant to be removed and I didn't run into them often. I've collected about 75 of the 121 and have never passed on one I needed. Seems like you can buy them for about the same price today and I still don't run into them often. When one without a back sells for 30-40 and one with a back sells for not alot more, I just can't understand where the logic is. Way back then, I was into the T205 and T206 sets also. I tried buying them at the same time in EX or better for around $25 when I could. Hated spending more on a common T206 common, LOL. Now I see graded T206s selling for $100s, I'm amazed. I guess its just like anything else (like the Obaks), demand will drive the market. The S74s aren't pretty to look at, but I can tell you from experience, they are a rare breed with the back and think they should be valued as such.

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Posted By: runscott

10 silks with ad backs just went up on ebay

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Posted By: petecld

Lets see if it works again. I think the following cards are under-valued:

E90-3 Gandil
E96 Baker (Vg/better)
E96 Kling (Vg/better)
E102 Wagner (Fielding)
E102 Evers

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Posted By: fkw

My vote goes to the 1926 Holland Ice Cream cards, at $200 NRMT for commons, thats low. Ive seen more 1927 Honey Boy cards on eBay than Hollands, and Honey Boy commons sell for $750-$1750.
Next in line would be the 1933 Uncle Jack Candy cards, the 1924 Diaz Tobacco cards and the 1922 Wm Patterson Candy. Frank

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Posted By: Keith O'Leary

thanks for the heads up. I'm sure there won't be any competition for them.

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Posted By: leon

E123 Curtis Ireland, D311 Pacific Coast Biscuit, T213-3 Coupons......not that you can find any of these on a given day.....regards all

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Posted By: Jim/jverri01

Have to go with E103's, Scott. People are really only now beginning to realize how scarce they truly are. All of the other Caramel counterparts from the same year (1910), are WAY more available, yet, maintain values similar to the E103s. I do hear your argument about Obaks - sick what I've seen some gorgeous examples sell for lately.

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Posted By: petecld

I received a couple of e-mails questioning why I felt just those cards were under valued.

My post above wasn't to imply that those cards should be valued higher - I was just hoping that someone would post one on ebay so I could get a chance to buy one like it worked out for the S74 Silks.

Sorry for any confusion.

I am looking for those cards if anyone has one for sale.

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Posted By: glenv

Anything from NASA is cheap. Plus its hard to complete a set
(or know if you have) since most of the page numbers are cut off.

Seriously - many type cards - Voskamps Coffee, Uncle Jacks,
Holland & Crescent Ice Cream, etc.

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Posted By: TBob

I am keeping mum on undervalued T207s until I finish my set, but will contribute the following undervalued cards and sets:
1910 Obak, 1911 Obak, E94 Cicotte, E90-3 set, T205 Rowan, Hoblitzell 2 L's no Cinn, Joss, Fatima New York (AL), T213-3 set, and authentic caramel proof cards.

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Posted By: Jay Miller

I've got to admit that I'm a little confused by the train of thought here. If you are equating a card's value with its catalog value then that may be part of the problem. On certain issues the catalog prices do not reflect the realities of the marketplace. Other than this I think some people are equating scarcity with value. The demand for the card or cards may be low so regardless of scarcity the prices are "cheap". This doesn't make them undervalued, it just says that when supply meets demand to set price there ain't much demand to meet. Uncle Jacks are cheap because very very few people care anything about these cards. I think the market at the auction level is relatively efficient and I would argue that there are very few if any undervalued cards.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

if you can call any '50s set "undervalued." the 1953 Bowmans were certainly undervalued for a long time (being the most beautiful set of the 20th century), but they're up there now.

Any Blacksox players still listing at common price (T206)

Dummy Taylor (Allegheny, Fan Craze, T206).

O'Niell and Caruthers. Why does everyone say what a shame it is that O'neill only had one great year? Look at his other B.A.s. As for Caruthers, look at his ERA and W-L records. And batting average.

Forget all those. Hank Aaron and Willie Mays.

Nomura.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Scrapps.

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Posted By: Eric

Just kidding, of course. The most under-valued sets in my opinion are:

N266 - Lorillard - Boxing Positions and Boxers
N269 - Lorillard (Mechanic's Delight) - Prizefighters
T9 - Turkey Red - Boxers
T224 - The Pet Cigarettes - Boxers
T225 - Mecca (silver border) - Boxers
T226 - Red Sun - Pugilistic Subjects
T229 - Kopec - Boxers

T36 - Mecca or Hassan - Auto-Drivers (had to throw this one in there - dont know why but I like this set)

Boxing cards are undervalued as a whole.

Isn't it odd that the big names in the hobby can find a way to produce price guides for baseball, football, basketball, hockey, racing, golf, and wrestling cards and memorabilia but can't seem to produce one for boxing cards?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

T218 Tolstoi backs (extremely rare)
T220 Tolstoi backs (at least as tough as the silver borders)
Most Exhibit cards from 1921-1928, especially 1928 PCL baseball, 1924 baseball, 1920's PC back team variations

I am working on a book of boxing cards from 1886-1951. I've just started a month ago. So far, I have a good deal written on the Exhibit cards and T218, 220 and 1948 Leaf sets. So, if anyone has scans of rarities or reports of auction prices, send 'em on to warshawlaw@aol.com.

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Posted By: jay behrens

I can put you touch with one of the top boxing collectors in the country. I am sure he will be more than willing to help.

Jay

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Posted By: Brian Hodes

I collect Jack Johnson cards if you need scans or whatever maybe I can help...

As to the undervalued sets I have always thought that the Fan Craze cards were quite a bargain -- but they run up against the prejudice against "game cards" and in favor of insert cards. Really though the Fan Craze and the subsequent National Game sets (among others) really offer just about the nicest photos of their particular eras which should be worth something.
The Fan Craze especially because they are nearly the only cards (affordable at least) from the 1904-06 period.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

I have to put in my vote for the 57 Topps set.

Is anyone looking for one, get it while it's still undervalued.

Lee

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

an American League Fancraze. I've got a bunch of national League ones, and I'm always asking. "Nope. don't have any of those."

That's the blue back. Does anyone have any? When did you get them?

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Julie,

I have 3 of the American League Fan Craze Cards: Lajoie, Crawford, and Ban Johnson. You are correct, the backs are dark blue. I have found that the American League cards are more difficult than the National League, but I have heard others say the exact opposite. The Lajoie only is available for sale or trade if you are interested.

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Posted By: jay behrens

...that Sam Crawford is a triple.

Jay

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Please e-mail me with price and detailed description of the card: rvognar01@attbi.com

Lajoie is underepresented in my collection; the Fancraze would be just the ticket.

Doubt that I have anything you'd want that I can spare--or even that I can't! But you could ley me know what you're looking for. I only have 5 Fancraze; I can't IMAGINE anyone saying the National League is harder to find!

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

..I hope you're out of town, or something. If you've sold it, please let me know.