$8,500 for a T206 Broadleaf 460....??

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Posted By: Marc S. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1805620515

Just looking for thoughts and feedback on this auction. I remember Mastro having a Broadleaf 460 HOF'er about two years ago....

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

...but now you've got me thinking. You tamperer you!

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Posted By: Doug Allen

We have had a couple including a Mathewson. We did auction them before it came to light that they were tougher than Drum.

I would place the value of a VG common at $1,200 to $1,500 and HOFer like Joss at maybe $2,000 to $2,500. Most type collectors simply don't care if it is a HOFer since they are going to display it face down.

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Posted By: Steve

There are two Broadleaf 460 Joss cards on Ebay now. One is in low grade, but seemingly much more affordable. Jsut thought I'd mention it in case any of you missed it.

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Posted By: Bob

If memory serves someone about 3 or 4 weeks ago had a couple of BL460s on ebay which were in around excellent condition with a buy it now price of $250 (not a misprint)each. I checked them and they had just been purchased. I want to say maybe they belonged to jverri. He then saw what he had and put a couple more on, one a HOFer and had much, much larger BIN prices, over 10 times as much. I know I am not dreaming this. Did someone on this board get the 2 BL460s for about $250 each? Fess up. Most of you probably didn't even see them because when the ebay listing board regurgitates every 10-15 minutes, the items purchased by a BIN buy drop off. That is why I am always wondering if there are some of those very tough T207s I need being BINed and I never see them. Probably just a tad paranoid...

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Posted By: Elliot

Bob, you are correct. I think there was a total of 3 that were BIN'ed. Fortunately, (yea right ) they were picked up by RunScott and Lee from this board. I, too, just missed them. If it puts your mind at ease, I don't recall seeing any T207's being BIN'ed. You're just getting paranoid, like the rest of us.

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Posted By: Marc S.

They were all sold by jverri. And they were all purchased on BIN -- by board members nonetheless. There were some initial concerns at first, but I think everyone was pleased with the transactions. After that, all of his BL 460's have had much higher BIN's, etc.

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Posted By: runscott

I keep a copy of the t206museum's "backs multiplier list" taped to the inside cover of my "cut down" SCD catalog. I would love to see the same sort of list for t207s and t205s - I'm sure there is enough expertise on the board to develop such a list. Could we get volunteers for those two card types to solicit additional opinions and put multiplier lists together?

John D - you helped with the t206 list - how did they go about it? Thanks

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

I am sad to say that I was not one of the purchasers, at the time I did not know what they were worth and passed on one of them . i think Scott got two am not sure who got the other one.

Lee

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Posted By: David

I had ten, but threw them out because I thought they were defective.

From day one, my T206 backs are taught they'd better act like all the others or they're outa here. Sweet Caporal and Piedmont are always welcome in my holseome household. But American Beauty, Carolina Brights, overprints and their counterculture ilk are put on the first bus back to Berkley (Though I must admit I might take a toke on their gonja before they return. Don't want to offend too much).

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Posted By: John D

basically the t206museum put out a price chart,and alot of people complained that some of their prices were way off so they changed prices as they went along.....at first they didnt have special modifier prices for hall of famers,variations and they lumped all the cards into one multiplier for each back example: they had every drum back at 70x which would be ridiculous for some hall of famers(it came out to 4000 for vg hof'ers). I just showed them prices for a few things that i thought were off and they adjusted a few, but they took info from alot of collectors and improved on their first attempt and they seem to be pretty accurate now......i could be of very little help on the t207 or t205's though but i would be interested in the prices

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Posted By: Brian Daniels

I thought you said after I sold you the Matty 460 for "$400" ,YOU SOLD IT TO TERRY KNOUSE ???? HOW DID IT GET IN MASTROS AUCTION???? DID YOU FIB TO ME ???

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Posted By: MW

Brian --

I think when Doug writes "we" it means "he and Terry."

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Posted By: David

FIB is an acronym in Wisconsin

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Posted By: Jim/jverri01

I am the seller of the Joss BL 460. I also sold the other 460's that were on Ebay a couple of months back. The first group that was listed were listed erroneously. The BIN was supposed to have been $2500., but they posted as $250 BIN. The second group was listed at the intended pricing level. I called these VG+/EX-. As I feel they were. Essentially, these commons went for $1600. - $3200. each. I had 7 in all. Believe it or not, the Joss came from a different source than the others. It is in lesser condition, probably something like G++/VG-/VG, depending on how old school you are about grading (I try to be conservative). Before I even listed the Joss, I spoke with several people, all of whom are "pioneers" in the market, all of whom I admire and respect. The general consensus seems to be that a common that is VG is worth about $1500. - $2000. and a HOFer is worth as much as 3x that. The $8500. list price was unrealistic - intentionally. I wanted to see if posting it would elicit any offers. It did. I then relisted it (it is on Ebay now) at a realistic price ($3500.). These backs are amazingly tough, and a year from now I am sure we will have seen none of these since those I am finishing posting now. The other Joss 460 is listed by a person who acquired one of my 460's, higher grade, as an upgrade. Great guy. Hope this is helpful.

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Posted By: Doug Allen

We referred to MastroNet....we did sell a Matty with a BL460.

I did sell a Matty previously to Terry Knouse. It was for more than $400.....that is what I had in it when I traded/purchased it from Brian. I did not consign it to MastroNet although it may have been the same card.

I did not fib.

The Joss is still not worth a dime over $2,500...between $2,000 and $2,500.

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Posted By: Jim/jverri01

All I can say - I hope BcD (cardknowledge) has me on his short list of people to leave his collection to! That has GOT to be the most UNBELIEVABLE accumulation of gems anywhere!

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

But like most on this board who know something about vintage cards...you make mistakes to gain the knowledge! Most on here who have been collecting for a while have sellers/traders remorse about piles of deals they made in the past......and yes Doug, I know you do not fib! Amy would crown you ! And james,I know you only wrote that to further advertise your Joss ...but I don't blame you! I would do the same thing.........I sold much better stuff for the square root of the value than the Matty! But the Matty was ex/mt ish!!! I am depressed!