A quick question about paperloss backs and scrapbooks

[Jeremy102175]

Paper loss is obviously pretty common with the old cards, due to the early collectors gluing them in scrapbooks if I'm not mistaken? Does anyone have (or know of) original scrap books that survived without the cards being removed from them? Thanks!

[ezez420]

So you're a new guy that is late to the party looking for cards in scrapbooks? Funny post.


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[pawpawdiv9]

Don’t know about a book but there’s seldom page or 2 with them glued on.
I seen some in auctions

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by ezez420

So you're a new guy that is late to the party looking for cards in scrapbooks? Funny post.


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Sounds like he wants to know what they looked like, what are you saying with your reply?

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Sounds like he wants to know what they looked like, what are you saying with your reply?

Yeah I'm not looking to buy or anything, just doing research for a project and was hoping to get a sense of how scare the intact original glued collections were and hopefully track down a few pics of them.

[TMKenKen]

I have several 19th century, primarily baseball themed trade cards. Some pasted, some glued (with that kids glue I think in the botte with the rubber tip that we used in school. I am showing my age here. Others more more carefully preserved. The pasted ones were easy to remove by soaking -- no paper loss. The glued not so much, but I only tried a few dupes so np loss there.

Don't know if that helps.

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by TMKenKen

I have several 19th century, primarily baseball themed trade cards. Some pasted, some glued (with that kids glue I think in the botte with the rubber tip that we used in school. I am showing my age here. Others more more carefully preserved. The pasted ones were easy to remove by soaking -- no paper loss. The glued not so much, but I only tried a few dupes so np loss there.

Don't know if that helps.

Thanks, I appreciate all the info I can get!

[NiceDocter]

Im kind of reading between the lines here but I am getting a sense that you believe most or at least very many early cards were glued into scrapbooks. Except for a few issues where a book was specifically made for a series to be attached, I would guess at least 90% of pre WW 2 cards were never glued or pasted, maybe even more like 98%. Kind of depends on the series. Many of the E cards seem to have glue on the back but certainly not most. Just my opinion here.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by TMKenKen

I have several 19th century, primarily baseball themed trade cards. Some pasted, some glued (with that kids glue I think in the botte with the rubber tip that we used in school. I am showing my age here. Others more more carefully preserved. The pasted ones were easy to remove by soaking -- no paper loss. The glued not so much, but I only tried a few dupes so np loss there.

Don't know if that helps.

Mucilage?

Man, I have not thought of that in a loooong time. I wonder if it’s still used anywhere?

[ezez420]

Sorry I thought you were just looking to see how to find. I'll PM you with info.


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[G1911]

Gluing cards into albums was common and quite a lot of the surviving T cards survived from this format. I don’t know where 2% would come from, back damage from albums is very common (and some were removed without the damage). Another common type of album is the picture albums that use 2 layers of paper to secure the cards at the corners, rather than gluing them onto pages. I’ve bought multiple collections in this format - they often produce toning damage to the card backs from being in decades long contact with the acidic paper. These were pretty popular up north, a number of my Canadian cigarette cards have come from album buys in this format.

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by G1911

Gluing cards into albums was common and quite a lot of the surviving T cards survived from this format. I don’t know where 2% would come from, back damage from albums is very common (and some were removed without the damage). Another common type of album is the picture albums that use 2 layers of paper to secure the cards at the corners, rather than gluing them onto pages. I’ve bought multiple collections in this format - they often produce toning damage to the card backs from being in decades long contact with the acidic paper. These were pretty popular up north, a number of my Canadian cigarette cards have come
from album buys in this format.

Fantastic info, thanks!

[x2drich2000]

I would suggest doing a search for "scrap" with several auction houses. That should get you a good number of examples. Huggins and Scott in particular I know has sold a few over the years. Here's a link to lot of 5 pages of T206s: https://bid.hugginsandscott.com/bids...e?itemid=51284

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

I would suggest doing a search for "scrap" with several auction houses. That should get you a good number of examples. Huggins and Scott in particular I know has sold a few over the years. Here's a link to lot of 5 pages of T206s: https://bid.hugginsandscott.com/bids...e?itemid=51284

Perfect, thanks for providing the link as well!

[Gmrson]

I’ve never tried removing glue/paper from a card. Was wondering if these might be a possibility. Thanks for any advice!!







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[Marslife]

I purchased and album full of N224 and T113 non sports. All soaked out nicely.

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[Leon]

I would want to be really careful but I think a lot of those back paper remnants would come off with luke warm water and a Q tip.... I would rub super gently to see how it works...

Originally Posted by Gmrson

I’ve never tried removing glue/paper from a card. Was wondering if these might be a possibility. Thanks for any advice!!







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[Gmrson]

Originally Posted by Leon

I would want to be really careful but I think a lot of those back paper remnants would come off with luke warm water and a Q tip.... I would rub super gently to see how it works...

Thank You!!


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[Jobu]

To the OP, I think tons of cards were in scrapbooks, on boards hung on the wall, on the lids of steamer trunks, etc. Lots of collectors alive today have bought them and soaked the cards off and this is nothing new. There are stories about early collectors buying scrapbooks full of cards and throwing them in a bathtub full of water to get the cards out, so this has been happening for a long time. At the moment I have a kid's school notebook with three baseball cards (two T cards, one E card) pasted to the inside back cover.

There is a board member, I can't think of his name at the moment, who collects cards still in the books, trunks, etc. and he doesn't remove them.

[CW]

I've saved a few images of "glued collections" over the years for some reason. None of these are my cards, I just thought these were interesting images, showing how people chose to display cards before they held any real value. Many of these were likely posted here on Net54 over the years.

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And here's an example of an album page from Lionel Carter's collection, this being a photo taken before his collection was divided up and sold at auction. He used those little corner tabs to hold the cards down rather than actually adhering the cards to the pages. Some cards showed small marks or discoloration from where the tabs were placed, but the great majority of cards were very well preserved thanks to Mr. Carter's efforts.