Another eBay buyer beware 1910 Joe jackson

[mrreality68]

Here we go again with another buyer beware

This 1910 old mill Joe jackson SGC 3 ends in a few hours and it has bids

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37386897466...4AAOSwlYRh3edB

This is a Picture of the one that Ryan H won and has displayed on his Flkr account.

Yet “here it is” bids and it is a great value so far of $1800.

The why and how I will leave to others

[Peter_Spaeth]

Given feedback of seller, usually people would have bid this up much higher, no? Or is this card so special everyone knows the auction is fake?

[Eric72]

I realize their feedback percentage is high; however, they've gotten hundreds of negatives and neutrals

[Carter08]

Friend sent me the link last night. He emailed the seller. No response. Agree with Peter - seller has tons of cards and a sales history so seems extra odd.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I realize their feedback percentage is high; however, they've gotten hundreds of negatives and neutrals

Good point

[Peter_Spaeth]

Even so, it's at well less than 1 percent of value if I remember the last sale.

[SD]

Is it a book or a cardboard encasement surrounding the slab? Ive purchased multiple cards from them before with no issues

[notfast]

This looks like a pack of the cards Heritage gave out at the National I believe. Either way its a pack of promo cards

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by SD

Is it a book or a cardboard encasement surrounding the slab? Ive purchased multiple cards from them before with no issues

It is a card and it was purchased by Ryan H. From this forum

It sold on HA from August 21, 2021 for $540k.

Great card and it is in his collection.

The eBay seller has a a ton of feedback points and seems to have a ton of other great cards for sale also.

Very odd and I cannot explain it but I wanted people to be aware.

[SD]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

It is a card and it was purchased by Ryan H. From this forum



It sold on HA from August 21, 2021 for $540k.



Great card and it is in his collection.



The eBay seller has a a ton of feedback points and seems to have a ton of other great cards for sale also.



Very odd and I cannot explain it but I wanted people to be aware.

So the seller is selling an auction house highlight list, but listed it as the graded card which a net54 member owns, correct?

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by SD

So the seller is selling an auction house highlight list, but listed it as the graded card which a net54 member owns, correct?

That is correct and here is the LINK to Ryan’s collection


https://www.flickr.com/photos/156271253@N07/albums

Where you can see his card in the album Top 25 or on his Joe jackson/babe Ruth album

[Rhotchkiss]

The card pictured in the listing is my card. I bought it from Heritage and it is sitting in a safe in my house.

Either the guy is selling "something" that has a picture of my card on it and fronting like he is selling the actual card, or he is just straight up purporting to sell my card. I have never put a picture like that out on the internet (I dont have a picture like that), so not sure what that pic is.

I reported him on ebay (no place to put explanation) and I emailed him through email telling him its my card, calling him some very not-nice names.

Regardless, whoever is the lucky winner of this lot will not be receiving my T210 Jackson.

Man, the hobby is just chick full of scum bags

[sycks22]

Usually a guy selling a T210 Joe Jackson isn't selling a Josh Donaldson jersey card in another auction. Just my 2 cents.

[BobC]

Like Peter was saying, this seller has been around awhile, and something doesn't make sense. Any possibility the seller's Ebay account could have been hacked?

[notfast]

I literally explained what this is in my post.

Heritage gave out “promo” cards at the national. Notice the back?

This is a pack of them. Think of it like business cards.

Yes it shouldn’t be listed but it’s no different than the other NSCC lucky 7 cobbs that are on eBay too.

[Eric72]

The 2nd picture in the listing makes it fairly obvious what is being auctioned. Definitely not the original graded 3, just a modern ungraded “card.”

Yet, the winning bidder probably doesn’t realize this. I wonder if they’ll file an INAD claim. I wonder how the seller will respond.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Eric72

The 2nd picture in the listing makes it fairly obvious what is being auctioned. Definitely not the original graded 3, just a modern ungraded “card.”

Yet, the winning bidder probably doesn’t realize this. I wonder if they’ll file an INAD claim. I wonder how the seller will respond.

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I hate to admit it but I would not have realized it. There is nothing in the title or in the description that it is a modern ungraded copy.(except if you look carefully in category it says ungraded and yet in the sellers description it just says look at picture to ensure you know what you are buying. )
It does not say modern and it does not say that it is a promo. I had no idea what that back was as I never seen it or understood it.

Luckily it is clarified here but not sure if all the bidders have that clarity.

[Eric72]

$41,000+


smh

[prestigecollectibles]

Just crazy

[Wanaselja]

$41,201.01

[SD]

$41k for a promo pack. What a horrible scam. I wonder how this will playout. It's clearly not labeled as anything but the actual card.

[Eric72]

Imagine this INAD claim:

The item was listed as used. Seller sent me a brand new, shrink wrapped product…

[Peter_Spaeth]

Late bidding, I am so used to PWCC auctions I'd forgotten how a real one works.

[mrreality68]

It is a great image

But that price is insane for a “Nationals Promo Card” image of a Old Mills Joe Jackson Card

But to me many of the bidder have no idea it is a promo card and sadly to me it was not clear or obvious what it was based on the photos or description.

Sadly when and if that seller tries to resell it they are going to get a rude awakening and a major loss.

Hopefully between the buyer and seller they can work it out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Awful listing, not sure what's going on here.

[Leon]

I want to know what their life is like with 532 negatives in the last 6 months? Quality folks right there...
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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

I want to know what their life is like with 532 negatives in the last 6 months? Quality folks right there...
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Nice to see ebay taking action.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Best part of the listing.

I strive for 100% feedback

[chadeast]

Seller was profiled in this news story. They've got quite the consignment operation going.

https://www.nbc12.com/2021/09/28/tra...ing-card-boom/

That many negative reviews on Ebay is very troubling.

[kmac32]

Card went for $42,000 so either someone got a really good deal or it was the Heist of the century

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by kmac32

Card went for $42,000 so either someone got a really good deal or it was the Heist of the century

How could someone get a good deal?

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Best part of the listing.

I strive for 100% feedback

Perhaps that means they want feedback from 100% of their clients, happy or not.

Selling items like this, they may achieve their goal.

[cubman1941]

Someone else has alluded to this but I should think the buyer has a case, even though the seller says No Returns, as the listing says UNGRADED and the card in question is clearly graded.

[bobbyw8469]

It's just a bad look for us card sellers on there that are trying to do the right thing, WITHOUT conning people.

[cgjackson222]

Just an fyi, this ebay seller "dcsports87" (or someone that works for this seller) is a board member and occasaionally posts to Net54 about cards they are selling on ebay.

I believe the username is "salvadorjcasillas"

I know this because he was selling a 1934 Goudey Hank Greenberg and I responded to his post asking why the grade was so low for a card that looked like it was in good shape:https://www.ebay.com/itm/37381426375...IAAOSwrPJhqkzL and the seller responded with a better picture of the back of the card.

But I just looked through my posts and my response is no longer listed. So perhaps he deleted the thread?

But there are still other threads by them, such as recently as 10 days ago: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=312714

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

It's just a bad look for us card sellers on there that are trying to do the right thing, WITHOUT conning people.

+1 agreed it makes sellers look bad and the more in experienced buyers and /or new money hesitate to make buys.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cubman1941

Someone else has alluded to this but I should think the buyer has a case, even though the seller says No Returns, as the listing says UNGRADED and the card in question is clearly graded.

The buyer's case is that the seller is not going to deliver the item represented in the title. No need for nuance here.

[cubman1941]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The buyer's case is that the seller is not going to deliver the item represented in the title. No need for nuance here.

Which was my point.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cubman1941

Which was my point.

I must be missing your point, sorry. To me the issue is not graded or ungraded or how a box in the listing is checked, it's that the seller does not own the card and therefore cannot deliver it.

[Yoda]

Aren't we talking about out-and-out mail fraud here?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Aren't we talking about out-and-out mail fraud here?

If the seller takes payment, then yes.