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Old 11-01-2021, 06:37 PM
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Default 1968 Topps Mike McCormick - White Team Name

So, as I crawl ever nearer to completing the basic and master set of 1968s, I'd like to poll the combined wisdom of this assembly on this subject.

What is the best guess we have on this question:

Is the McCormick error (and please forgive my lack of proper printing process vocabulary):
1) a case where the yellow simply didn't get applied as it was supposed to in a small number of passes, making it an error in the printing process itself, or
2) a case where the sheets were sent to print with the team name in white (like the Red Sox, Angels and others), only to be discovered during QC, requiring someone to change the color, making it a design error.

I'm thinking perhaps the former - the other two teams with green circles don't have white names (Senators have yellow like the Giants and Orioles have black), so someone wouldn't have confused it for a card of another team.

This is an important question to me as my master sets include only design variations, not printing flaws, so there's a bit of my own green, so to speak, riding on how this comes out.

Thanks!

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Old 11-02-2021, 05:14 AM
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Interestingly, although they are in different print runs, both the Brinkman & McCormick card are in Column 7 of their respective sheets. Cox is in C3.

The cards in the row containing McCormick are (from C1 to C11): 414 401 405 449 439 409 400 404 396 388 444.

If it was a print flaw (i.e., yellow didn't get applied), would other cards in that row (like Lolich, Washburn, Fisher) also show some missing (or at least partially missing) yellow?
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Old 11-02-2021, 06:00 AM
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In the past, I have asked this same question about how the McCormick card ended up with the white team letters, IE what caused this variation to occur. Whatever the reason, likely it is the same reason that more than 20+ separate 1969 WLs exist.

With the 69s there were multiple cards that ended up with the WL variation, while the McCormick is the only card in the 1968 set with this variation. The McCormick card is obviously far more rare than any of the 1969 WLs, and generally more valuable than any of the 69 WLs other than the 69 WL Mantle.

With the 1968 Cox and Brinkman cards, the color differences on the team name are ONLY due to the fact that both cards were part of the Milton Bradley Win a Card game/set.

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Old 11-02-2021, 06:01 AM
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I consider it a design change much like the 1969 Topps whiter letter variations. Nothing about the card image suggests that yellow was missing from the image itself. Here's both versions for comparison:




Edited to add: Larry beat me by two minutes.

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Old 11-02-2021, 06:54 AM
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I collect recurring print defects as well as cards that are true variations resulting from an intentional change in the card by the manufacturer. In a great many cases I think it is impossible to ever know if a recurring print defect was a temporary defect that resolved without intervention or was remedied. And the hobby itself has clearly in the past adopted several unintentional print defects as “variations”

Mostly the way I collect it does not matter, but as an ungraded collector if I was trying to hold the line I would include in a master set any variant listed by SCD, Beckett or PSA in their master checklists, because for good or bad those cards have been adopted by the hobby as variations. If I was a graded collector I would stick with the PSA master/super lists
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Old 11-02-2021, 08:21 AM
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Thanks all for the observations - well, the cost of assembling a master 1968 set according to my own standards just went up a few hundred.

I tend to be VERY less stringent about condition on the variations I need than on the correct versions, so I'll probably be looking for a McCormick white letters in the G-VG range sometime soon.
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Old 11-02-2021, 09:53 AM
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By the way, very nice cards Bob
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