Just throw this one on the continuing pile...

[bounce]

This isn't just bad, it's ridiculously bad. Should stick to what they know, they've got plenty to deal with there already.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jor...UAAOSwi3Vc3z~G

[frankbmd]

Does PWCC have changing rooms in the vault to try on your jersey assets?

[Paul S]

Wherever your ass sets, set your ass to rest. (at least that's the way I heard it, anyway. Amway. ...whatever)

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's authenticated by Art's Artifacts.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Art's Artifacts? Anybody ever even heard of them?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Art's Artifacts? Anybody ever even heard of them?

Looks like former NFL player Art Thoms. And the COA says he obtained the signature personally.

[wondo]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Looks like former NFL player Art Thoms. And the COA says he obtained the signature personally.

OMG! The scandals just don’t stop - end of days!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[bnorth]

I don't know guys this looks legit to me. It's not like the COA is just a plain piece of paper that anybody could print at home. Plus with the very detailed description on the COA there is no way it could be used for any other item.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't know guys this looks legit to me. It's not like the COA is just a plain piece of paper that anybody could print at home. Plus with the very detailed description on the COA there is no way it could be used for any other item.

I just don't get it. I thought PWCC was making money hand over fist. Why resort to selling such garbage?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I just don't get it. I thought PWCC was making money hand over fist. Why resort to selling such garbage?

The answer is in your post.

[wondo]

Art Thoms played in Oakland which is on the same coast as Oregon (home of You know who). He then played one year in Philadelphia which we all know had a huge mob presence in the 70s. Plus, he shares the first name with Art Schlichter. There ya have it.

I appreciate the exposure and unraveling of fraudulent activity which is rampant and well documented. Getting tired of the pot shots based on nothing but the desire to seem relevant. It dilutes the actual issues and takes away from this board.

And, yes, I’ve had a few beers ......

[Peter_Spaeth]

One or two more and you may bid.

[wondo]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One or two more and you may bid.

Hahaha.....truth, Peter. I was also referencing previous posts which pseudo accused shill bidding. Just seems rampant.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by wondo

Art Thoms played in Oakland which is on the same coast as Oregon (home of You know who). He then played one year in Philadelphia which we all know had a huge mob presence in the 70s. Plus, he shares the first name with Art Schlichter. There ya have it.

I appreciate the exposure and unraveling of fraudulent activity which is rampant and well documented. Getting tired of the pot shots based on nothing but the desire to seem relevant. It dilutes the actual issues and takes away from this board.

And, yes, I’ve had a few beers ......

Then you should get educated. This isn’t a pot shot, it’s a fact.

That Jordan is not authentic, go compare it to any UDA Jordan.

In fact, why not trust the experts and do a Quick Opinion on it? Why didn’t PWCC do that at a minimum? I wonder...

I don’t need to desire to be relevant. My ego doesn’t require the attention. What I do desire is for forgeries to stop being pitched out into the market by uneducated or unethical sellers into the hands of uneducated buyers. This isn’t the first time they’ve listed bogus autographs with some bogus certificate. I am also sick of “position” giving people a free pass to just cash their consignment fee check with no repercussions.

Why would they sell probably THE MOST FORGED SIGNATURE IN THE MARKET without a recognized COA with it? Is it maybe because none of those companies will cert it?

There is absolutely ZERO CHANCE PSA or JSA would pass this signature as authentic, including if Michael himself walked it into their office.

And for those who don’t think you can just print up a cert that looks like that, do you really not see the blank line that just gets filled in with whatever the item is going to be? Seriously? That’s probably warning sign #1 in the hobby of a bogus signature, assuming you know absolutely nothing about autographs at all.

And finally, in person autographs from Jordan are WAAAAAAAAY SLOPPIER than the UDA signatures, and yet this one has like 5 extra letters in Michael?

WAKE UP

[Steve D]

I just checked, and the signature on the certificate, matches the signatures on ebay for Art Thoms of the Oakland Raiders.

Also, the address on the certificate matches records for the address Art Thoms of the Raiders lived at in the 1990s.

Finally, there is an "Art Thoms Locker Room" on Facebook, and the same "Art Thoms Locker Room" is listed on yellowpages.com.


Steve

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Steve D

I just checked, and the signature on the certificate, matches the signatures on ebay for Art Thoms of the Oakland Raiders.

So at least you're getting a real Art Thoms autograph.

[JollyElm]

How funny would it be if the Michael Jordan turned out to be real, but the Art Thoms on the cert was a forgery?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Jim65

So at least you're getting a real Art Thoms autograph.

Art Thoms

aka

Art Toms or

Art Thomas or

Bart Thoms or

Bart Thomas

Yes folks, at Art’s Artifacts where sort of good is good enough. All of the above autographs have at least 7 of the 8 correct letters in the correct sequence and all would be certified by Art, guaranteed. And we stand behind our certs, well behind in fact. At Art’s Artifacts we consign only with the finest, or sort of fine, auction houses on eBay, like Coach’s Corner and PWCC, or you can buy directly from Art’s Locker, where getting a COA is made simple. Check us out of Facebook, like us on Twitter. Send us a photo of your item on Instagram and we’ll send you a cert saving you postage as well.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I just don't get it. I thought PWCC was making money hand over fist. Why resort to selling such garbage?

They are scam artists...that's why. They think they are e-bay.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't know guys this looks legit to me. It's not like the COA is just a plain piece of paper that anybody could print at home. Plus with the very detailed description on the COA there is no way it could be used for any other item.

Not picking on you here, but if this was really legit - why would it only sell for $270?

The answer is pretty easy - it's not authentic. If it was, the Jordan autograph collectors would have been bidding on it. I would have bid on it. A Jordan signed jersey is worth several times this amount if the autograph is authentic.

This is simply a non-card example of PWCC taking consignments for fees, in an area where they have no real expertise. It shows a real disregard for the hobby.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bounce

Not picking on you here, but if this was really legit - why would it only sell for $270?

The answer is pretty easy - it's not authentic. If it was, the Jordan autograph collectors would have been bidding on it. I would have bid on it. A Jordan signed jersey is worth several times this amount if the autograph is authentic.

This is simply a non-card example of PWCC taking consignments for fees, in an area where they have no real expertise. It shows a real disregard for the hobby.

I assume Ben was being sarcastic here.

[ruth-gehrig]

More disregard.....

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=259594&page=4

[bounce]

Peter - yes you're right, I missed the follow up post the first time around, and the sarcasm face on the original. NICE JOB BEN - you got me!

I forgot about those advertising signs - yeah that was another good one. I mean it LOOKS old, right? So it must BE old. Uh huh.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bounce

Peter - yes you're right, I missed the follow up post the first time around, and the sarcasm face on the original. NICE JOB BEN - you got me!

I forgot about those advertising signs - yeah that was another good one. I mean it LOOKS old, right? So it must BE old. Uh huh.

I thought it was obvious sarcasm. Anybody could print out one of those and change the item description to anything they want.