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10-22-2018, 02:29 PM
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Bill Lange
I always thought Bill Lange (along with Fred Goldsmith) would be a hole in the collection, with no cards showing up for him in a Beckett search. Now only to discover he maybe had a Sporting News supplement in 1899? Not a card exactly but a something. I only discovered it by looking at his Wikipedia page. Any one ever see one of these? The Wikipedia scan and an old HA auction are the only examples I can find.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lange https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/w.../46051-12310.s 
Last edited by Shankweather; 10-22-2018 at 02:31 PM. 
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10-22-2018, 02:32 PM
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10-22-2018, 02:44 PM
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Same guy
Is this the same Lange?
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7135-80705.s Just read the bio that he retired to get married. Interesting stuff... Last edited by kylebicking; 10-22-2018 at 02:46 PM.
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10-22-2018, 02:50 PM
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No, that's Frank Lange (AKA Bill Lange) who played shortly after Bill Lange, for the other Chicago team. As if collecting pre-war wasn't confusing enough!
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10-22-2018, 02:51 PM
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You peaked my interest... here's a few links I found:
http://boblemke.blogspot.com/2009/06...e-picture.html https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/the-fabl...e-daa2796a7190 http://fromdeeprightfield.com/bill-l...w-good-was-he/ One more... https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/...9-details.aspx Last edited by kylebicking; 10-22-2018 at 02:53 PM.
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10-22-2018, 03:10 PM
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Thanks! I had seen a couple of those links, but the connection to the National Copper Plate Set is helpful. If I'm reading correctly, the Sporting News supplements were based on the Copper Plates, which means he has a total of two issues. And if that Christie's auction is any indication, I might be able to pick one up for $500-$1000 if it were to ever appear? I'm not likely to find the framed plate plus cut autograph for $116 (!!!) like in that 2006 HA auction.
This seems to clear it up: http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.co...ate_portraits/ Last edited by Shankweather; 10-22-2018 at 03:26 PM.
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10-22-2018, 03:27 PM
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I spent a good hour looking for completed auctions or current listings and nothing popped up. I did see there is a team image or postcard if you'd accept this one as an option.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1896_C...cago_Colts.jpg
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10-22-2018, 03:51 PM
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And more!
https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...in-collection/ https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...ts-collection/
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10-22-2018, 04:42 PM
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I once owned one of the M101-1 Sporting News Supplements of Bill Lange (fair condition). I sold it on eBay for about $115 back in October 2016. The National Copper Plate will run you a little more, but it is far more scarce than the Sporting News Supplement. Regardless, neither issue shows up all that often, so grab one if you see one.
Oh, and I also once owned an 1898 Chicago Orphans Team Premium, which included a young, 21-year old Frank Chance and a middle-aged Clark Griffith. I believe Lange was pictured on that card as well. I'll see if I can find images of both of those some time tonight. Good luck in your search!
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10-22-2018, 05:10 PM
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In addition to the M101-1 and National Copper Plate Lange is also depicted on a Cameo Pepsin pinback and is My favorite Lange item as at least it is small like a card and not paper thin.
That being said, good luck finding one as I have only ever seen one Lange come up for sale before... https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...in-collection/
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10-22-2018, 06:26 PM
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Thanks for your help everyone. I don't rely on Beckett for pricing, but I thought they were reliable as a checklist at least. But their lists for the 1898-99 NCP and 1899-00 SN Supplements are incomplete.
Just to be sure, does anyone know of any issues for Fred Goldsmith? Played 1879-1884.
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10-22-2018, 06:41 PM
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Found these:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=145948 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...Team_Photo.jpg https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Chicago...S!-1:rk:5:pf:0 Last edited by kylebicking; 10-22-2018 at 06:43 PM.
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10-22-2018, 10:11 PM
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I have a trimmed copy of the M101-1. For some reason I can't upload it.
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10-22-2018, 10:53 PM
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My previously owned 1898 Chicago Orphans Cabinet w/ Lange (#11):
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10-25-2018, 01:34 PM
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Might be too large of a scan/photo, Kenny. If you want to send to leon@net54baesball.com I can probably help...
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11-16-2018, 07:37 AM
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Well I went from not knowing this existed to winning it at auction in a pretty short amount of time. Pretty cheap too. And I got him a teammate to keep him company.
 
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11-16-2018, 01:06 PM
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Sweet. I was watching those. As you are likely aware, the Lange is from the 1899-00 M101-1 Sporting News Supplements set. The Griffith is from the scarcer 1898-99 National Copper Plate Set. The hole punches on the National Copper Plate issue are common as they were bound together in a portfolio of 50.
I picked up the Bobby Wallace National Copper Plate and am thrilled with the hammer price. It's been on my "want list" for years.
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11-16-2018, 02:02 PM
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I was so surprised at those prices, and also at how Mile High called them all Supplements when some of them were Copper Plates.
Their descriptions have always wanted a little detail, at least when compared with REA and Heritage and other auction houses. But I guess this thread has established there is some confusion about these two sets, which even extends to auction houses. If Mile High were staying current with all the Net54 threads they might have had more accurate descriptions, and might have made a little more money! Last edited by Shankweather; 11-16-2018 at 08:53 PM.
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