E121-120 Observation

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I love the 1920's E cards for all their weirdnesses. Like having a guy in E126 who played one game 7 years before the set came out. Here's my latest. Dave Danforth, an early relief specialist is listed as with the Browns on his E121-120. Problem is that set is ascribed to 1922 and Danforth was inactive from 1919 to 1922 which was his first year on the Browns. His picture is in a Brown's uniform. So I guess the set could be late 1922, just seems like an odd guy to make sure you get included on the part of American Caramel. Plus they came out with E122 AFTER E121-120 also in 1922? Makes it tougher to understand how Danforth got into E121-120!

EDIT: Sorry for the massive changes, realized I was looking at the wrong card, but the general point remains.

[brianp-beme]

Looks like Danforth was with the Browns starting mid-April of 1922. It does seem to make his appearance in the set pictured in a Browns uniform somewhat unlikely, but there he is. Perhaps a White Sox fan (his previous MLB club that he played for until 1919) was in charge of selecting, from a pool of available recent photos, the players included in the set, and he couldn't resist including his fave Dave.

Brian

[nolemmings]

I believe he's shown in a 1917 White Sox uniform. He was acquired by St. Louis in late December, 1921, after finishing a 25-win season in the minors for Columbus. He was a very controversial pitcher, accused of throwing illegal pitches, and according to this SABR article, was acquired by the Browns for 11 players, five of whom were to be named later.
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9ea2e3b9
This likely explains why he would be included in the set, and does not disturb the 1922 timeline for its issuance.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Certainly looks like an "s" on the uniform, not a "c"



Edit, never mind. Guessing it's the beginning of "Sox" still even listing him as a Brown makes it a tight timeline.

Edit #2. What the hell does his hat have on it?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Edit #3. Man it's not a great match for either uniform but that "s" is wrong for the Sox in which the "o" and the "x" appear inside the bellies of the "s"

[nolemmings]

In 1917, several teams wore a logo/patch of the US Flag on the left sleeve to honor the troops in WWI. It is plainly seen on Danforth's card, and he pitched for the White Sox in 1917.

The uniform is a Home Sox uni from 1917--the "x" is obscured by his throwing arm but the "o" can be seen:


Why do you believe it's a tight timeline? He was on St. Louis by the first of the year. The cards could have been printed anytime in 1922 and include him.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I believe he's shown in a 1917 White Sox uniform. He was acquired by St. Louis in late December, 1921, after finishing a 25-win season in the minors for Columbus. He was a very controversial pitcher, accused of throwing illegal pitches, and according to this SABR article, was acquired by the Browns for 11 players, five of whom were to be named later.
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9ea2e3b9
This likely explains why he would be included in the set, and does not disturb the 1922 timeline for its issuance.

Now his inclusion makes much more sense, especially after the notoriety of the combined 25 win season and being traded for 11 players...it would be foolish not to include him. Being that his card has been proven to feature him in a White Sox uniform, it also makes sense that American Caramel would find an available photo from a previous year to use for the card.

Nice bit of research Todd.

Brian

[Leon]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Now his inclusion makes much more sense, especially after the notoriety of the combined 25 win season and being traded for 11 players...it would be foolish not to include him. Being that his card has been proven to feature him in a White Sox uniform, it also makes sense that American Caramel would find an available photo from a previous year to use for the card.

Nice bit of research Todd.

Brian

+1 Todd (hey Todd) is a great researcher of our cards.