Come on Rick, this is absurd.

[sbfinley]

I'll admit, I have stood up for this seller in the past when he gets ganged attacked about his business practices, but this is unacceptable. You and your employees have got to be able to read a flip.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/361397486574

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

I'll admit, I have stood up for this seller in the past when he gets ganged attacked about his business practices, but this is unacceptable. You and your employees have got to be able to read a flip.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/361397486574

Not to worry IF the seller figures out they got screwed he has a return policy.LOL I love that excuse when they "accidently" mislabel auctions.

[mighty bombjack]

I don't see the issue. Has he fixed it since you posted, or am I just missing it?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

I don't see the issue. Has he fixed it since you posted, or am I just missing it?

It says PSA/DNA Auto. It is not an Auto card or PSA/DNA graded.

[mighty bombjack]

Yes, I just figured that out. The "Authentic" on the flip refers to the card, not the autograph, correct? I do think that Probstein needs to be an expert in this and advertise his wares correctly, but I think PSA is more to blame with this crap. They need to deal with this as well by being more explicit about what exactly they have authenticated.

Originally Posted by bnorth

It says PSA/DNA Auto. It is not an Auto card or PSA/DNA graded.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

I don't see the issue. Has he fixed it since you posted, or am I just missing it?

I emailed him about the card, but no it has not been fixed yet. You and the flip are missing the most important thing relative to this card: PSA/DNA.

[bnorth]

I know nothing about autos but is the MJ auto real? Given the card is graded authentic to me that would mean the auto is fake.

Is this a type of scam where someone puts a fake auto on a card and gets the card graded authentic hoping someone will also think the auto is real?

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I know nothing about autos but is the MJ auto real? Given the card is graded authentic to me that would mean the auto is fake.

Is this a type of scam where someone puts a fake auto on a card and gets the card graded authentic hoping someone will also think the auto is real?

I cannot speak to the authenticity of this auto or the intentions of the submitter of that card, but PSA's grading practices have opened the door for said scam. I doubt the bidders on this particular auction are aware that PSA has not authenticated that auto.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I know nothing about autos but is the MJ auto real? Given the card is graded authentic to me that would mean the auto is fake.

Is this a type of scam where someone puts a fake auto on a card and gets the card graded authentic hoping someone will also think the auto is real?

I've seen this attempted before, mostly with Jordan autos. I've never seen one so brazenly consigned to a major seller before, however. Either the scammer tried to push it through Probstein or the idiot who purchased it before consigned it and the card slipped through. I don't know who signed it, but I know the person who did is not named Michael Jordan.

[mighty bombjack]

For example, I think it is appropriate that they put "auto grade only" on blue flips that have a number grade so that we won't be fooled into thinking that the card itself is a "10" (I think grading autographs is pretty stupid, but at least they are being very clear). Ip (or forged) autos like this one need the same sort of distinction: "card only" in reference to the Authentic label.

Just my opinion.

[r2678]

I don't understand what's going on here. What's the difference between this Jordan card and this card that's the subject of another thread?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Topps-J...vip=true&rt=nc

Holders look the same. Both say just PSA and they're red bordered labels. Based just on the holder and label, how can one auto be good and the other bad?

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by r2678

I don't understand what's going on here. What's the difference between this Jordan card and this card that's the subject of another thread?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Topps-J...vip=true&rt=nc

Holders look the same. Both say just PSA and they're red bordered labels. Based just on the holder and label, how can one auto be good and the other bad?

Very good question and again pointing to PSA's labeling leading to confusion. In the case of the card you link, I think both the card and auto have been authenticated. Where this one says "Phil Marks Coll." is where red flips that also have auto authentication will say "PSA/DNA." There is a PSA/DNA authentication number there, something missing from the Jordan card, but methinks this is confusing as hell.

[bnorth]

$240.50 shipped. Looks like everybody but the new owner did amazingly well on that $17 card. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-UD-Ovat...p2047675.l2557

[sbfinley]

The auction did close and someone made a $250 mistake, but I did receive an email from Rick this morning stating that he was in contact with PSA regarding the card. Hopefully he doesn't ship until they get this right.

[Michael B]

We are all going to look like Papa Smurf if we wait for that response. He was just placating you. Earlier this year I notified him that the Bill Russell index card he had listed under basketball autographs was the baseball player and not the basketball player. His response: 'Thank you for letting me know' or some such dribble. Of course someone paid well over $70.00 for a $1.00, at best, signature. The listing merely said a Bill Russell index card, but the placement certainly played a role in the bidding.