E222 AWH and AWA Caramels...AWA is no miss print...

[Leon]

As I continue to help with cataloging a type collection coming to market I am doing more and more research. With the write up of the E222s (AWH Caramels), one of the things that was originally written was that there was only 1 known AWA back, which was corrected to now understanding there are at least 3 known. What hasn't been known is what the super rare AWA has stood for. Originally it was thought to be a typo but with the uncovering of the other 2, approximately 5 yrs ago, we now know it probably wasn't a typo. I have a theory that I believe might hold water for that initial. Arthur W. Havens was the maker and his initials AWH are on the back of the cards (except the 3 with AWA). Thanks to Tim Cath.ey and OldCardboard Magazine (issue 23) we now know he had children, 3 sons. They were Oscar, Arthur E. and Wilbur. I think there is a chance the AWA was the first initials of himself and two of his sons, as is commonly seen in business. So the AWA could have been Arthur (Sr.), Wibur, and Arthur E. (jr.)....giving it the AWA back. I am sure this thread will get all of the attention of cows chewing their cud but hey, no worries. I am still having fun!!

[autograf]

So he didn't like his other son Oscar?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by autograf

So he didn't like his other son Oscar?

Maybe Oscar wasn't interested in the business? It happens all of the time where a father has a child working with them but not the other of his children.

[Jeffrompa]

Was that before AWH ?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jeffrompa

Was that before AWH ?

No idea if the AWH or AWA came first but to me it would make sense the AWA came first. Then maybe the 3rd brother got upset and the dad said screw it, and made it only his initials? Who knows....

[T206Collector]

Probably started as Dad's name and then the names of his first two sons. The third may have not even been born yet....

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

As I continue to help with cataloging a type collection coming to market I am doing more and more research. With the write up of the E222s (AWH Caramels), one of the things that was originally written was that there was only 1 known AWA back, which was corrected to now understanding there are at least 3 known. What hasn't been known is what the super rare AWA has stood for. Originally it was thought to be a typo but with the uncovering of the other 2, approximately 5 yrs ago, we now know it probably wasn't a typo. I have a theory that I believe might hold water for that initial. Arthur W. Havens was the maker and his initials AWH are on the back of the cards (except the 3 with AWA). Thanks to Tim Cath.ey and OldCardboard Magazine (issue 23) we now know he had children, 3 sons. They were Oscar, Arthur E. and Wilbur. I think there is a chance the AWA was the first initials of himself and two of his sons, as is commonly seen in business. So the AWA could have been Arthur (Sr.), Wibur, and Arthur E. (jr.)....giving it the AWA back. I am sure this thread will get all of the attention of cows chewing their cud but hey, no worries. I am still having fun!!

I was going to comment on this, but I am distracted by the CCC (Cows Chewing Cud) tournament on ESPN 8 - The Ocho.

[ValKehl]

Leon, many thanks for jogging my Alzheimer's-like memory by providing the link to the 2011 thread in which Dan M. showed the other 2 known A.W.A. cards. The fact that I am fascinated by the E222 cards and that I even posted in this 2011 thread gives you a good indication as to how pathetic my memory is!

That all 3 known A.W.A. cards have the exact same back design furthers my belief that this is merely a typesetting error. I suspect that one print run was erroneously done with the A.W.A. backs, even though not all 3 card fronts have the same color tinting, and that Arthur W. Havens likely did not become aware of this error until these cards had already been distributed.

While I am saddened to learn that you are parting with your incredible type collection, I'm curious to see how your E222s fare (I assume each of your E222s will be a single lot), as I've never seem so many E222s come to market at the same time.
Best,
Val