Joe Orlando is lying fakes flips look real..

[ofrogers]

I've been researching this and determined PSA is covering up they've been compromised..
The fonts vary when the .5 grades started..Some barcodes are right on the border..The spacing is not consistant on every card..I have a 52 set (almost) and the flips vary..
Here's a Mantle from the CAL Craiglist scam..Unless you held this card in your hand, you couldn't tell..It's a type A with the missing border pixal, or very close..
The background is a bit light but hard from a scan or picture to tell..

LMK what you think..1952-Topps-Mantle-Fake.jpg

[Leon]

I think you need to read the rules about having your name in your posts (taken care of now) and learn where to post your questions. We have a post WWII side of the board for post war cards. That is where cards that are post WWII should generally go. If you need help please PM me and I will help. As for this holder.....I know some have been compromised which is a reason PSA changed them not long ago. I can't tell about that one you have shown.

[jhs5120]

That card is obviously compromised to me.. I don't know if that relates to this discussion though.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ofrogers

I've been researching this and determined PSA is covering up they've been compromised..
The fonts vary when the .5 grades started..Some barcodes are right on the border..The spacing is not consistant on every card..I have a 52 set (almost) and the flips vary..
Here's a Mantle from the CAL Craiglist scam..Unless you held this card in your hand, you couldn't tell..It's a type A with the missing border pixal, or very close..
The background is a bit light but hard from a scan or picture to tell..

LMK what you think..Attachment 145926

The fonts and positioning of the text are completely wrong on that label. Not at all convincing to me, even when the portions of the cracked PSA holder are obscured with a same-color background or cropped altogether.

Edited to add: the card itself also looks fake.

[MW1]

I've been researching this and determined PSA is covering up they've been compromised..

How? Someone cracked open a PSA holder and inserted a fake flip and fake card. Where's the cover-up? If anything, PSA has been very proactive in designing a new, more secure holder that effectively puts the Craigslist scammers and their ilk out of business.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by MW1

... If anything, PSA has been very proactive in designing a new, more secure holder that effectively puts the Craigslist scammers and their ilk out of business.

And that is a great thing....Putting scammers out of business is the next best thing to putting them in jail.

[MattyC]

The real villains here are the scammers making the fakes; the thread's title seems to vilify and besmirch the TPG. Of course TPG's can be proactive in terms of educating their customers as to what to look for, and where to buy, and working with authorities-- and PSA does some of that right on its website...

PSA on fake slabs

At least to me, the stance taken on that link doesn't seem like a coverup.

I've also spoken with PSA and SGC reps about fake or breached holders in the past, and both companies were friendly and educational; so they are forthcoming when a customer calls or visits and asks about the issue.

But it is also incumbent upon the collector to be selective in terms of where and from whom he buys. For example, if you go to a Rolex store, odds are pretty good you're getting a real Rolex. If you buy from an REA, a Goodwin, a Tony Arnold, a 707, a trusted collector, and too many others to mention, one is much more likely to be pleased with their purchase than if they bought from a dude selling used mattresses on Craig's List or eBay.

[Peter_Spaeth]

PSA might consider expanding the webpage Matt posted to include information about fake flips, examples of what to look for in terms of fonts and spacing, etc. When this first became an issue it was relatively easy to spot fakes by their crappy looking fonts but it seems the scammers are getting better. And with the many generations of PSA flips, with varying fonts and alignments, the fakes are not always immediately obvious, to me anyhow.

[ofrogers]

Originally Posted by MW1

The fonts and positioning of the text are completely wrong on that label. Not at all convincing to me, even when the portions of the cracked PSA holder are obscured with a same-color background or cropped altogether.

Edited to add: the card itself also looks fake.

There have been 7 font, space, barcode changes over the years. They even now don't all line up..
I agree the card is too light overall..I think too thin also..The front not as defined..Still without the obvious, white bat ect..

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ofrogers

There have been 7 font, space, barcode changes over the years. They even now don't all line up..
I agree the card is too light overall..I think too thin also..The front not as defined..Still without the obvious, white bat ect..

The flip on this card matches zero of the previous or current PSA labels. The published PSA guidelines would be a good place to start when being offered this type of bogus card. Even for those collectors who cannot discriminate between a real and fake PSA flip, there are too many other problems with cards like this one to even consider a purchase.

[ergoism]

The guy behind all of these fake Mantles has evolved his game.

He can make the slabs and the flips identical to PSA's right before they released this most recent version. All serial numbers and barcodes will match as well. He will take clean looking cards and TRIM them to look sharp. To protect yourself from this scam, measure your cards and see if you can find the same serial number sold in the past on VCP to compare images.

This guy is tucked away down in Mexico, doesn't come to the states, and uses unsuspecting pawns to deal his creations. I obtained a lot of information about him through e-mail and phone calls in the past but he cut me off when I shared some of the info to protect people from being scammed.

Look at all of the following pictures. Every single one of these is a fake slab and flip with a trimmed card inside. The source of these is same source of the PSA 9 55 Clemente that was headlining the most recent Clean Sweep auction.







Be careful who you buy from and do your homework.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ergoism

The guy behind all of these fake Mantles has evolved his game.

He can make the slabs and the flips identical to PSA's right before they released this most recent version. All serial numbers and barcodes will match as well. He will take clean looking cards and TRIM them to look sharp. To protect yourself from this scam, measure your cards and see if you can find the same serial number sold in the past on VCP to compare images.

This guy is tucked away down in Mexico, doesn't come to the states, and uses unsuspecting pawns to deal his creations. I obtained a lot of information about him through e-mail and phone calls in the past but he cut me off when I shared some of the info to protect people from being scammed.

Look at all of the following pictures. Every single one of these is a fake slab and flip with a trimmed card inside. The source of these is same source of the PSA 9 55 Clemente that was headlining the most recent Clean Sweep auction.







Be careful who you buy from and do your homework.

Looks like all of those PSA holders have been cracked/opened on at least one side.

[ezez420]

Just curious do the bar codes scan on the fake flips? Nobody mentioned this.

goldbullion2012@gmail.com

Ha I remember that braggert guy...I remember people getting locked up because of him. He finds people on ebay and CL to list items for him. Preys on the greedy.


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[ezez420]

Was going to put this in another post but should add here. So are all cards by this seller legit? Goes from $10-$20 cards to $5000-$400000 overnight? The Seaver Rookie that he pulled looks different than the one sold in Mile High. Now look at this PSA 8 Mantle 1952 Topps. Thoughts??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...item27f87d4b48




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