Question about this Babe Ruth Signed Ball

[LCBaseballCollector]

Hello...what do you guys make of this signed Babe Ruth baseball? It is in the new Coach's Corner Sports Auctions and it SAYS (no proof shown) that it comes with a PSA/DNA cert, as well as a cert from Andrew Bradley. Who the hell is Andrew Bradley?

The "words" PSA/DNA must carry some weight because it's already at over $2,000, and I bet it will be fetch ten times that of this beauty which Babe has been so kind to note that he is the "Home Run King".

[barrysloate]

You're going to want to stay away from this one.

[keithsky]

I don't think I have ever seen Ruth sign Home Run King. You should ask those clowns to send you a picture of the cert and then post it cause it will tell what the cert number is. Plus in there strange little world over there the letters PSA doesn't nessesarilly mean the original PSA it could mean some made up compnay they have and used the letters.

[shelly]

[Bigdaddy]

If you ask nice, maybe they could have them personalized any way you want.

[canjond]

As an FYI - I believe the OP is saying that the ball on the left is purported to have the PSA/DNA cert. Additionally, the ball on the right (and obvious forgery) is also being sold in the same auction, but that's not the purported PSA/DNA cert'ed ball, hence why the OP states that the ball on the left will sell for much more.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by LCBaseballCollector

Hello...what do you guys make of this signed Babe Ruth baseball? It is in the new Coach's Corner Sports Auctions and it SAYS (no proof shown) that it comes with a PSA/DNA cert, as well as a cert from Andrew Bradley. Who the hell is Andrew Bradley?

The "words" PSA/DNA must carry some weight because it's already at over $2,000, and I bet it will be fetch ten times that of this beauty which Babe has been so kind to note that he is the "Home Run King".

Laughable forgery of Babe Ruth.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Laughable forgery of Babe Ruth.

Agreed, absolutely horrible!!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Agreed, absolutely horrible!!

I have yet to see an authentic Babe Ruth sig listed by Lee Trythall and Scott Malack.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I have yet to see an authentic Babe Ruth sig listed by Lee Trythall and Scott Malack.

and likely never will.

[RichardSimon]

But CC is having a special now,,, in addition to a fake ball with Home Run King, you can get fakes with Champion Hot Dog Eater, Big Time Ladies Man, Tony Lazzeri is a lousy player, I always hated Miller Huggins and Earle Combs is overrated and should not be in the HOF. Personalization is extra and no photos allowed.

[LCBaseballCollector]

I do think less of Pete Rose because apparently he was somehow involved in the death of Kennedy by the inscription on the side of one of the balls.

I am sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I was asking the opinion of the board of the scan on the left that has (without proof) authentication by PSA/DNA, and Andrew Bradley who is unknown to me.

And look at these beauties for s**ts and giggles. Simply wow.

[Klrdds]

Even over the internet these balls smell bad. Whoever is signing their stuff is getting worse with their signatures. I always thought practice made perfect but these guys are giving that slogan a bad name also. Their stuff is so bad that they do not even need responses anymore.

[shelly]

I think you got a fair opinon from some very good people. It stinks.

[khkco4bls]

Wipe ur ass with those

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by LCBaseballCollector

I do think less of Pete Rose because apparently he was somehow involved in the death of Kennedy by the inscription on the side of one of the balls.

I am sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I was asking the opinion of the board of the scan on the left that has (without proof) authentication by PSA/DNA, and Andrew Bradley who is unknown to me.

And look at these beauties for s**ts and giggles. Simply wow.

Andrew Bradley was a forensic examiner (who at one time may or may not have been partnered with other forensic examiners of renown). He is now in the same place as Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, etc. but his masterpieces live on.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Andrew Bradley was a forensic examiner (who at one time may or may not have been partnered with other forensic examiners of renown). He is now in the same place as Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, etc. but his masterpieces live on.

Andrew Bradley is not part of any crew. He is an expert in his filed.

That being said. I will tell you that he is not a person that I would trust with a Babe Ruth signiture. I am sure if it went to court he would have a big edge over Jsa and Psa, which is not saying a whole lot. I have no idea why he would authenticate that piece but it will be fun to find out.

5.0 out of 5 stars An excellent resource for document examination, September 23, 2000
By Andrew Bradley, Forensic Document Examiner
This review is from: Document Examiner Textbook (Hardcover)
This book provides an extensive survey of the entire field of document examination. It serves as an instruction manual as well as an historic and technical reference. Its contents are well organized and accessible, making this complex subject easy to understand. I highly recommend this book for both new and experienced document examiners, as well as for attorneys, investigators, and others who are interested in this field.

[drcy]

Bradly taught courses in forensic document examination and was the chief document examiner for Denver's county sheriff's department. I'm no autograph expert and can't knowledgeably give opinion on anyone's expertise in the area, but know he was a well known guy.

[btcarfagno]

The dreaded Babe Ruth and Joe Jackson Sharpie autographs. Talk about scarce.

Tom C

[shelly]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

The dreaded Babe Ruth and Joe Jackson Sharpie autographs. Talk about scarce.

Tom C

That is what I can never understand. Really good guys that belive they are right can be so wrong. All they need to do is research and they would turn them down in a second.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

But CC is having a special now,,, in addition to a fake ball with Home Run King, you can get fakes with Champion Hot Dog Eater, Big Time Ladies Man, Tony Lazzeri is a lousy player, I always hated Miller Huggins and Earle Combs is overrated and should not be in the HOF. Personalization is extra and no photos allowed.

Richard, explain your hatred toward Miller Huggins. Curious.

[7nohitter]

Paul,
You're joking, correct? Richard doesn't hate Miller Huggins-Babe Ruth did...Richard was adding funny inscriptions that 'Ruth' might add to an autograph!

[CamaroCPA]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Richard, explain your hatred toward Miller Huggins. Curious.

I think he is providing tongue-in-cheek examples of personalizations for fake Babe Ruth signatures.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by CamaroCPA

I think he is providing tongue-in-cheek examples of personalizations for fake Babe Ruth signatures.

+

[jad22]

Who is bidding on these auctions? I just don't know how they still get bidders.

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by jad22

Who is bidding on these auctions? I just don't know how they still get bidders.

My guess, people who are relatively uninformed, not doing any research and looking for a deal. The old adage still proves true, "If something sounds too good to be true..."

[Shoeless Moe]

sorry I read that wrong.

E1

[Klrdds]

Also people who deep down want to believe something is real even when logic says it is not real...emotion sometimes gets in the way.

[rjackson44]

why are these people not in jail ,month after month of pure garbage ,,,

[Runscott]

The buyers of these things could be using CC as a discount store for cheap forgeries for reselling. They get an autograph that will fool a few people and comes with a COA. They can then hide behind the COA if their buyer complains.

If you don't think there are plenty of buyers out there for this sort of stuff, just look at all the people right here on Net54 who show us an obvious forgery and ask if it's real or not, some of them even referring to COA's from scammers that we all know about, but apparently plenty of future collectors don't.

[Klrdds]

The trouble is those people still do not believe the opinions expressed here. I wonder how many people still buy a piece when the people on this site say it is not good. The majority of people believe a COA from a TPA over the experience and knowledge that is available here.
W C Fields was right " there's a sucker born every minute".

[Runscott]

I suspect some of the people who pop up here with very little feedback, asking such questions, are testing us to see what the likelihood is that they can slip their items by fools on ebay...or perhaps slip them by some of us.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I suspect some of the people who pop up here with very little feedback, asking such questions, are testing us to see what the likelihood is that they can slip their items by fools on ebay...or perhaps slip them by some of us.

You think? *cough*Freddy*cough*

[rjackson44]

agree scott

[gregr2]

Good point Scott, had not thought of that.

[shelly]

I was wrong about Bradly. He was part of the Rich Solis group. I was really really wrong

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I suspect some of the people who pop up here with very little feedback, asking such questions, are testing us to see what the likelihood is that they can slip their items by fools on ebay...or perhaps slip them by some of us.

That is why I have refused to answer anyone that has not been on here for at least three years. If you notice most of the crazy statements and autograph questions have come from newbe;s

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by shelly

That is why I have refused to answer anyone that has not been on here for at least three years. If you notice most of the crazy statements and autograph questions have come from newbe;s

While I understand where your coming from, this blanket statement of "newbies" shouldn't be applied to everyone. I for one am just getting into vintage autos and memorabilia after nearly seven years of collecting modern stuff. As well as being an active member on another game used forum for five. My first post on this site was about a ruth auto, not because I was attempting to scam or "test the waters" it was simply because I saw the plethora of knowledge on this site.

[Runscott]

Shelly said "most", so it wasn't a blanket statement.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Shelly said "most", so it wasn't a blanket statement.

"Anyone" to me means all. Don't want to take the thread off track, just my 2 cents.

[Runscott]

Holy cow.

Shelly - I am beginning to lean more in your direction on this.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

"Anyone" to me means all. Don't want to take the thread off track, just my 2 cents.

I did mean anyone in regards to not helping them if there on here 3 years or less.
I meant most when it came down to comments made.

[jad22]

I appreciate the opinions that are given here. I used to collect HOF signed plaques but stopped. If I was concerned about the authenticity of a signature I would definitely ask here. From what I have seen posted, there are some who are trying to slip items by but for the most part I think its just people looking for advice.

[7nohitter]

I LOVE this forum and especially appreciate the help of Richard, Shelly, Jim Stinson and Chris 'thetruthisoutthere'!

The fact that these people will offer for free, what some of them make a living doing, is appreciated beyond words.

Andrew

[shelly]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

I LOVE this forum and especially appreciate the help of Richard, Shelly, Jim Stinson and Chris 'thetruthisoutthere'!

The fact that these people will offer for free, what some of them make a living doing, is appreciated beyond words.

Andrew

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

I LOVE this forum and especially appreciate the help of Richard, Shelly, Jim Stinson and Chris 'thetruthisoutthere'!

The fact that these people will offer for free, what some of them make a living doing, is appreciated beyond words.

Andrew

Well stated, couldn't agree more!!

[SikSyko]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I suspect some of the people who pop up here with very little feedback, asking such questions, are testing us to see what the likelihood is that they can slip their items by fools on ebay...or perhaps slip them by some of us.

Same has happened over on SCN. A few of us thought that the person posting were doing the forging them self.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by SikSyko

Same has happened over on SCN. A few of us thought that the person posting were doing the forging them self.

Not surprising. While reading some of the responses I started thinking of a line from Shakespeare involving protestation.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

I LOVE this forum and especially appreciate the help of Richard, Shelly, Jim Stinson and Chris 'thetruthisoutthere'!

The fact that these people will offer for free, what some of them make a living doing, is appreciated beyond words.

Andrew

+1!!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

I LOVE this forum and especially appreciate the help of Richard, Shelly, Jim Stinson and Chris 'thetruthisoutthere'!

The fact that these people will offer for free, what some of them make a living doing, is appreciated beyond words.

Andrew

I agree.. Kudo's to our members who consistently help and give of their time. The only way to stay ahead of the curve is to be vigilant.

And I think it is important to always question everything. People coming on this and other forums, with very posts asking questions about what to look for, is this good or bad etc... always get the courtesy of being vetted, overtly or covertly. I guess I am just a suspicious person.