1933 Goudey R319 with a 1934 Copyright date?

[Leon]

I don't really know exactly how copyright works but this seller didn't understand this wasn't a miscut or casually stamped back. But a 1934 copyright date on a 1933 card is interesting.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390824631688...84.m1439.l2648



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[Cardboard Junkie]

Hi leon. I can't see where it says that this is a 1934 copyright? The little copyright Goudey circles on the front and back say 1933. What is it about this card that makes you think it wasn't "stamped" casually after issued? Maybe I'm missing something? Dave.

[RGold]

The #122 Crowder card was included on the tenth and final sheet of the 1933 Goudey set. This series was issued after the World Series in October, 1933.

This card appears to be a patent card, and was stamped in January, 1934 which makes sense to me. Look at other patent cards, and you will see they are stamped some months after the issue of the cards.

[ullmandds]

It sold super cheap!

[Brian Van Horn]

The only card I can think of that would apply would be the Lajoie.

[RGold]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

It sold super cheap!

Definitely cheap at under $11. However, not authenticated, missing the patent and copyright cards that usually accompany these. Plus, not the greatest cut.

Maybe $100. I could be wrong. These aint rare back t206s!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RGold

Definitely cheap at under $11. However, not authenticated, missing the patent and copyright cards that usually accompany these. Plus, not the greatest cut.

Maybe $100. I could be wrong. These aint rare back t206s!

Really? Not authenticated and not the greatest cut? LOL.....I think it is authentic and the cut is correct for patent cards but what do I know..? At the price it was hard to lose...No, it doesn't have the associated pieces and those would be cool to eventually acquire. The dating of it does make sense though.....It was just odd seeing a '33 with a '34 date on back.

[tedzan]

Here's a diagram of the exact arrangement of the cards on the World Series (10th) sheet. As Ron G. said (in post #3), Crowder was printed on this sheet.
The 24 cards on this sheet were issued circa.. November 1933. So, it's no surprise that a Jan 23, 1934 Copyright date is stamped on this card.







Here's my Jablonowski (#83) which was issued circa.. Spring/Summer 1933 with a Copyright date of Aug 1, 1933.
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TED Z

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by RGold

The #122 Crowder card was included on the tenth and final sheet of the 1933 Goudey set. This series was issued after the World Series in October, 1933.

This card appears to be a patent card, and was stamped in January, 1934 which makes sense to me. Look at other patent cards, and you will see they are stamped some months after the issue of the cards.

Copyright registration card, not patent card. Different aspect of intellectual property law.

FWIW, the stamp doesn't necessarily predate or track the date of issue. It is possible to register something before or after the publication date.

I've seen a few unacknowledged copyright cards pop up on eBay recently. I snagged this one:

[Jay Wolt]

I've had a few 1933 Goudey patent pairs and some were stamped in 1934
I just assumed Goudey applied for the patents in some issues after the card was issued to the public.

[steve B]

I'm not sure if it worked the same way then, but now copyright begins when a work is created even without registration. But that's nearly unenforceable. The next step is to declare the copyright - So for instance "this post Copyright 2014 by Steve Birmingham" A Google group I'm on briefly required that in the signoff since some people were starting groups for as revenue and copying posts from other groups. The copyright mention basically stopped it especially once Google caught on. The formal step is registering the copyright, which is the most lasting and enforceable version.

If someone is an actual IP lawyer and I've got that wrong --Correct away I'll learn a bit.

As I understand it the publication is often done before the formal copyright. For instance SI couldn't hold up publication of a timely weekly magazine if they waited for the copyright to be issued. And Dads PHD thesis had to be printed before he could send it in. (Just why they made him copyright it is a mystery to me- I'll have to ask him next time I call. )


Steve B