520-card T206 set live auction in Buckingham, Pennsylvania

[tedzan]

Last Saturday I attended a really interesting auction at a nearby Auction house here in Pennsy. This auction regularly features Revolutionary War stuff, early Colonial Furniture,
signed Presidential Documents, etc. Recently, a local resident consigned his near complete T206 set. All 520 cards were raw. The majority of them were Vg-Ex to Ex condition.
Each card in this set was individually sold....and, bidding was quite brisk.

FYI....the following lists the major cards and the $$$$ realized in the bidding............

Demmitt (St Lo) ........ 3700
O'Hara (St Lo) .......... 1025 (crease)
Cobb (red) ............... 2200
Cobb (green) ............ 1600
Cobb (bat on) ............ 950
Cobb (bat off) ............ 925
Johnson (portrait) ...... 1050
Johnson (pitching) ....... 450
Matty (portrait) .......... 675
Matty (white cap) ....... 520
Matty (dark cap) ......... 450
CYoung (portrait) ........ 775
CYoung (glove) ........... 625
CYoung (arm) ............. 425
Elberfeld (por-Wash) .... 800
Dahlen (Brooklyn) ........ 380
Lundgren (Cubs) .......... 250
H. Smith (LENOX) ....... 1400


Other than the Happy Smith with the LENOX back, there were 20 cards with TOLSTOI backs, a Willett with a CYCLE 460 back.......and, most of the other cards were either the
usual PIEDMONT's or SWEET CAPORAL's.

Except for 10 of the following cards which happen to be tough SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory 42 cards. I won all 10 of these....and with the Gandil and McGraw (which I already
had)....I was able to complete my "Exclusive 12" run with this back. All together, I won 62 cards at this auction (including 7 - HOFer's).








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TED Z

[GoldenAge50s]

What a nice score Ted! Good going! They look very nice.

[wolf441]

Great stuff Ted, congrats!!

[ullmandds]

nice clean looking cards!

[ethicsprof]

congratulations on another fine accomplishment!!!
These cards are beauties.
Those were some healthy prices on the list of HOFs,etc.
I suspect those were beauties,too.
Charlotte gave you a mighty fine Christmas package!
all the best, ole buddy

barry

[atx840]

Great looking cards Ted, congrats.

[Pat R]

Nice cards Ted, It looks like you may have the answer to the often debated
question of whether some wst's can be created from storage. It seems like to much of a coincidence that most of the ones you purchased have them.

[Vintagecatcher]

Ted Z.,

Congrats on that nice score.

Must have been an exciting auction.

Very cool,


Patrick

[jcmtiger]

Looks like there were some T206 collectors at the auction.

Joe

[Jantz]

Ted

Really happy for you! Nice cards, especially the Crandall. Not an easy combo to find.


Pat R.

The real "coincidence" is why these wst's only appear on the factory 42 version of these 12 player's cards and not on their factory 30 cards.



Jantz

[soccersaver97]

I was there too! I picked up 41 cards there.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ethicsprof

congratulations on another fine accomplishment!!!
These cards are beauties.
Those were some healthy prices on the list of HOFs,etc.
I suspect those were beauties,too.
Charlotte gave you a mighty fine Christmas package!
all the best, ole buddy

barry

Barry

You guessed it......it was Charlotte who clued me in on this T206 auction. She is an amazing Internet "surfer".

Our best regards to you and Margaret.


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

Hey Guys

Fred, Steve, Pete, Barry, Chris, Pat, Patrick, Joe, Jantz....thanks much for your compliments.

The T206 auction started at 9 AM. The T206 auction was one of 4 independent auctions being conducted, simultaneously.
At high noon....our auctioneer paused our bidding, so we could observe the action regarding the 1863 Civil War document
signed by Abe Lincoln. When brisk bidding ended, this document sold for approx. $6000. It was the highlight lot of the day.

I hope this auction house gets more Vintage BB cards. They conducted a very professional auction. It was exciting, and I
added 62 more T206's to my latest sub-sets. The last time I was at a live auction of BB cards, it was in the early 1990's
when I attended Sotheby's....where the "Gretzky" Wagner was auctioned off.



TED Z
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LOOKING for this T206 guy to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 red HINDU sub-set (12 subjects)

SHECKARD (glove)
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[soccersaver97]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Guys

Fred, Steve, Pete, Barry, Chris, Pat, Patrick, Joe, Jantz....thanks much for your compliments.

The T206 auction started at 9 AM. The T206 auction was one of 4 independent auctions being conducted, simultaneously.
At high noon....our auctioneer paused our bidding, so we could observe the action regarding the 1863 Civil War document
signed by Abe Lincoln. When brisk bidding ended, this document sold for approx. $6000. It was the highlight lot of the day.

I hope this auction house gets more Vintage BB cards. They conducted a very professional auction. It was exciting, and I
added 62 more T206's to my latest sub-sets. The last time I was at a live auction of BB cards, it was in the early 1990's
when I attended Sotheby's....where the "Gretzky" Wagner was auctioned off.



TED Z
__________________________________________________ _________________________________
LOOKING for this T206 guy to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 red HINDU sub-set (12 subjects)

SHECKARD (glove)
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I go there every saturday and they only have baseball cards about once a year. But, they have other cool stuff pretty much every time.

[philliesfan]

Is someone able to provide information about this auction place? Location, how often, etc..... I am in Bensalem, PA just above Philly and may want to check out the auction one of these days......when and if I have time.
Thank you,
Robert

[philliesfan]

Is someone able to provide information about this auction place? Location, how often, etc..... I am in Bensalem, PA just above Philly and may want to check out the auction one of these days......when and if I have time.
Thank you,
Robert

[tedzan]

Robert

Brown Bros. Auction

It's located near the intersection of Rte. 263 & Rte. 413 in Buckingham.

You can contact them...... 215-794-7630


TED Z

[philliesfan]

Thank you for the info Ted!!!!

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by soccersaver97

I go there every saturday and they only have baseball cards about once a year. But, they have other cool stuff pretty much every time.

Hi

Is this the first time that they've featured T206 cards of this magnitude ?


TED Z

[lharri3600]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

is someone able to provide information about this auction place? Location, how often, etc..... I am in bensalem, pa just above philly and may want to check out the auction one of these days......when and if i have time.
Thank you,
robert

wow, bensalem! What a great place to live!:d

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by lharri3600

wow, bensalem! What a great place to live!:d

Hi Larry

Buckingham is in Bucks County, Pennsylvania and is approx. an hour's drive north of Bensalem.


So, what's happening, guy ?

Haven't heard from you in a while.

I hope to see you at the National this Summer. Cleveland is only a short drive from Buffalo.


Take care good buddy,

TED Z

[soccersaver97]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi

Is this the first time that they've featured T206 cards of this magnitude ?


TED Z

Yes, and what a treat! Unfortunately, in the two years that I have been going there that was only the second time they featured baseball cards. The other time they featured cards they were from the 50's and 60's. The reason why they rarely have cards is because it is pretty much an estate auction where they auction off all of the contents of a house. These past three weeks were from one card collecters enormous estate. Another time they had a ton of pins from the 10's and 20's, which was about a year ago.

[Northviewcats]

What a great way to start the year. Congratulations on an outstanding pick-up.

Joe

[tedzan]

JOE D

You put it quite well....it is indeed a great way to start the New Year.

Say, I missed you at Cooperstown last Summer. I hope to see you there this Summer on HOF weekend.

Thanks....and, take care.


TED Z

[tedzan]

I missed the Minor & Southern Leaguer's auction. Was that auction as good as the Major Leaguer's auction ?


TED Z

[soccersaver97]

The prices were pretty high for the southern leaguers, but some were manageable. There were no standout stars or backs like there were at the major league one. I think the only good one besides the southern leaguers was Joe Kelly.

Jarrett

[tedzan]

Jarrett

Last week was the first time I was at Brown Bros.; and, I thought the Major League part of the T206 auction went pretty smooth.

The auctioneer, Blaine, was very professional. Did the prior auction of the T206 Minor Leaguers go as smooth ?


TED Z

[Rickyy]

Wow...what a collection...its fun to see raw stuff like this making its way into the masses...

Ricky Y

[soccersaver97]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Jarrett

Last week was the first time I was at Brown Bros.; and, I thought the Major League part of the T206 auction went pretty smooth.

The auctioneer, Blaine, was very professional. Did the prior auction of the T206 Minor Leaguers go as smooth ?


TED Z

Yea it went just as smooth. They actually did a very good job of researching every single card prior to the auction. Blaine is a really great and hilarious guy. He is incredibly knowledgeable of almost everything that he auctions off. It is just a very nice atmosphere there which is part of the reason that I keep coming back. I am one of the youngest people there, so some of the auction veterans are always helping me out.

Jarrett

[ParisianJohn]

This is a great thread. I know Blaine quite well as he handled the auction of my mother's estate last year after she passed away. Blaine will talk your ear off, but at the same time, every single thing he says is interesting, so I love it. I live in New England now, but my wife and I are hoping to get a long weekend this spring, head down there for a few days, and include an auction with Blaine. He usually has some good oil paintings - though I prefer art on small pieces of cardboard.

It's a shame to see such a great T206 collection that someone really took great care of to be broken up and not passed down within the family, but I guess that's the way it goes. Either the family had no interest in it, or needed the money. It sure paid off for Ted, and I'm jealous I wasn't there to expand my modest collection!

[tedzan]

I was the very last person to cash out at this auction; and, while I was waiting for my wife to arrive to pick me up I had a nice conversation with Blaine.
He certainly is one cool guy....and, with a great sense of humor.

He noted that I won quite a number of Tobacco cards. I remarked that I was very pleased with the auction. And especially, these 10 cards.....I showed
him 10 of the 12 cards pictured here (minus the McGraw & Gandil, which I already had). I explained to Blaine that the Tobacco advertising backs (Sweet
Caporal 460, Factory #42) on these 10 cards are tough to find. Furthermore, finding all 10 cards (that I needed) in the same collection is virtually impos-
sible. I certainly was one very happy dude that frigid icy day.


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John....thanks for posting.


TED Z

[ullmandds]

beautiful cards, ted...congrats...so did ink transfer in storage...or are they all wet sheet transfers/bleed throughs?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

beautiful cards, ted...congrats...so did ink transfer in storage...or are they all wet sheet transfers/bleed throughs?

I'm not sure I understand, but then there are times when I cannot figure if you are joshing or you are serious. Anyhow, I don't see
any evidence of "wst" on 11 of these cards.

The back of the Pfeffer card is a mystery to me....as it appears to have black printing under (or over) the red Sweet Caporal print.
I don't view this effect as a result of wst....since Sweet Cap backs were not printed with black ink. Perhaps, it was the result of a
black ink "prep-to-print" printer's test.


Besides you, others here have noted "wst's" on these cards. Therefore, I'm asking anyone here, check out these enlarged scans of
the cards, and tell me where you detect hints of wst ?


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Thanks,

TED Z

[ullmandds]

ted...what I'm referring to is...for ex...on the ford, devore, duffy fronts...I can see ink from the backs...and I'm wondering if this occurred during production or could have occurred from storage over the years?

[ullmandds]

also on the wheat, mcgraw, pfeiffer?

[Pat R]

I see them on all but the Crandall and Gandil the Hummel, Tannehill and Sheckard are
faint but the rest are quite pronounced.

[Jantz]

Pete

I did a lot of research on these 12 players a few years ago. If you search the archives for a thread I started named "A possible T206 sheet", I talked about how these 12 player's cards consistently show a wet sheet transfer on the front of their cards. I believe it occurred during production and I also believe these 12 players were on a sheet together.

I also own a few of these 12 player's card with Sweet Caporal 460-42 backs and all of mine have the same wet sheet transfer. I've seen too many over the years to think it happened from storage. This wet sheet transfer would have occurred on other cards and not just the factory 42s if that was the case/cause. I've never seen a McGraw SC factory 30 with this wet sheet transfer, yet almost all of his SC factory 42 cards have it. A few factory 42s do appear without the wet sheet transfer and this was probably because of the way the sheets were stacked. No transfer means that card was either on the bottom or top sheet depending on how the sheets were stacked during production.


Jantz

[ullmandds]

thanks Jantz...interesting!

[andy]

I have one SC 460 f42. Sheckard throwing. Never noticed it before, but it too has a faint wst. Most prominent along right side.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

ted...what I'm referring to is...for ex...on the ford, devore, duffy fronts...I can see ink from the backs...and I'm wondering if this occurred during production or could have occurred from storage over the years?

Pete

If there are wst on these cards it was strictly due to printers stacking freshly printed sheets (before the ink had fully dried).

Whatever, I have a problem with you, and several guys here, saying they see wst on these cards. Yes, I understand that these subject's have been seen with wst.

However, I'm sorry guys....I just don't see any hints of wst on the fronts of these cards.

Perhaps, I've seen too many of these cards and they all have become a "blur", or maybe I'm going "blind"



TED Z

[tedzan]

OK guys....it's game time....for starters I want you to tell me which of these cards have WST's on them. And mind you, some where in each row there is a
SWEET CAP 460, Factory #42 card of each subject..






Good luck with your guesses.


T-Rex TED


P.S. Furthermore, if you so desire, I will aspire to show multi-backed scans of all the Exclusive 12 subjects.....so, we can try to detect some WST's.
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[kdixon]

Wow, congrats Ted...

[ullmandds]

i pick door #4...tannehill...pfeiffer #3, sheckard #1.

[andy]

I'd say 4, 3, and 1 too

[Jantz]

Hi Ted

I would like to play.

The Tannehill pictured fourth from the left has a Sweet Caporal wet sheet transfer.

The third Pfeffer from the left has a Sweet Caporal wet sheet transfer.

The first Sheckard from the left has a Sweet Caporal wet sheet transfer.

Pretty much the same answers as Pete, except I'd like to add that the third Tannehill from the left has a Piedmont wet sheet transfer.

Did you try to sneak that Piedmont in there on purpose?



Jantz

[andy]

I remember about 12 years ago I was in a large meeting. Was sitting about 50 feet from the screen where the slides were being projected. Couldn't believe how bad the presentation was. Turned to the other folks at my table and chuckled to them "do they really expect us to be able to read that size font?" They turned to me and said "yup, its easy to read". Next day, made an appt with the ophthalmologist. They couldn't believe I never wore glasses before. Been wearing them ever since. Huge difference. Shocked at the difference they made. Just a humorous story for all your enjoyment.

[andy]

Changed the colors a bit. It miht make it easier to see the lines from the back ink.

[andy]

Sorry, better images here. Look along right edge of image on Tannehill, under bat handle for Pfeffer, and in bottom right corner of image for sheckard. You'll see the images from the SC backs. I figured you might see them better as blue than as red.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Hi Ted

I would like to play.

The Tannehill pictured fourth from the left has a Sweet Caporal wet sheet transfer.

The third Pfeffer from the left has a Sweet Caporal wet sheet transfer.

The first Sheckard from the left has a Sweet Caporal wet sheet transfer.

Pretty much the same answers as Pete, except I'd like to add that the third Tannehill from the left has a Piedmont wet sheet transfer.

Did you try to sneak that Piedmont in there on purpose?



Jantz

Good eye Jantz! I didn't see the Piedmont at first, until I read your post

I'm seeing the same as everyone else Ted, 4,3, and 1.

Sincerely, Clayton

P.S. Nice pick ups, those are some great looking cards.......the ones I clearly see WST's on are Tannehill, Sheckard, Pfeffer, McGraw, Geyer, Devore, Ford, Duffy, and Hummel. On my monitor, the most pronounced WST's are on Pfeffer, McGraw, Devore, Duffy, and Hummel.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by andy

Sorry, better images here. Look along right edge of image on Tannehill, under bat handle for Pfeffer, and in bottom right corner of image for sheckard. You'll see the images from the SC backs. I figured you might see them better as blue than as red.

Andy

Thanks for the large blue images, they do expose the WST's on these cards.


TED Z