Heritage or Consignor - one is full of crap

[Shoeless Moe]

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7085&lotNo=82245

I bought and sold this ball to the now consignor of it. The story of it being found with a signed Joe Jackson ball and signed 1909 World Series ball are BS.

I found this ball on Ebay, talked with the seller himself over several emails, he didn't have these other balls. I bought this one on Ebay from him, then sold it a couple months later on Ebay to the now consignor of it.

Someone made up that attic story, consignor or Heritage?

Neat ball but no need for the fluff/lies.

Also, the consignor has been mentioned on here b4 not sure if he is a reader, but I'd sure like to see these other balls "if" they are out there. I have not seen any recent new signed Joe Jackson balls come to any auction house.

[sayhey24]

That's crazy -- I would get rid of the word fluff and just stick with the word lies.

Just curious -- did it really come from Cambridge?

Greg

[ruth-gehrig]

Interesting! You know the facts and now everyone who reads this thread does as well. My guess would be that this story was told to Heritage by the consigner but who knows. I'm sure they would just blame each other if it came down to it.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

Interesting! You know the facts and now everyone who reads this thread does as well. My guess would be that this story was told to Heritage by the consigner but who knows. I'm sure they would just blame each other if it came down to it.

Agreed.. I do not believe Heritage would make up a story like this at all. If auction houses go by and post stories on the word of consigners, these things will continue to happen. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who poop from their mouths in this hobby.

[thecatspajamas]

Just as a refresher, here was the previous thread on this ball:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=161870

Interesting also that Heritage makes a point of noting that the stitching is black and red as would be appropriate for an official NL ball, but as Paul verified previously, it definitely appears to have blue and red stitching. I guess that still doesn't rule out the exhibition game possibility though.

[Shoeless Moe]

I remember the seller listing all 4 balls, the next best one was signed I believe by some Cincy Reds, but no Jackson or Cobb or Wagner.

All 4 went for under $200.


I re-sold the one for $1,000.....be interesting to see what this brings....luckily the majority of the story of the ball is true....just the BS at the end which has nothing to do with it peaked my interest.

[ddog5]

Heritage has some other "stories" for other auctions listed. Most likely told by the consignor.

[ctownboy]

Shoeless,

I hope you have some supporting evidence to back up your claims. Because, if you do, I would love to hear what Heritage says and then does about this if you produce the evidence to back up what you are saying.

David

[Shoeless Moe]

I don't have any proof on paper. I just know what happened. I bought it from the Ebay seller in Cambridge, who yes did have three other balls, but he listed all 4 balls. I bought the one that is now in the Heritage auction.

I probably could go back to feedback I left for others, because I always leave feedback, find out who that original Cambridge seller was, then look at his feedback, and I'd think he rec'd feedback for the other 3 balls, or at least a couple.

So that would be my only proof, and if really need be, I could eventually ask the Cambridge seller what else he had, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Ty Cobb and Honus Wagner balls, quite certain that wasn't the case, cuz we talked back then and he told me what he had. He had no reason not to say if he had those. He said he had a couple he had found and he listed all he found.

[scooter729]

Is the consignor setting the table for a later consignment of the other two balls by trying to link them to this one, as a way to make some fake balls look legit?

[glchen]

I thought there was someplace on the internet (maybe worthpoint.com?) where they store old ebay listings. Maybe the original listing is still there?

[martindl]

Heritage is foolish if it takes consignors word as gospel. If there's no supporting provenance, just judge the item on its merits. No need for a story.

Martin Dalziel

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by glchen

I thought there was someplace on the internet (maybe worthpoint.com?) where they store old ebay listings. Maybe the original listing is still there?

Yes, worthpoint is the only way to go back that far. It doesn't give the seller's ID or ebay item number though, which makes it tougher to search for specific items. If you can find the listing title by going through feedback as Paul suggested, you can see if it's among the archived listings. Even with knowing the title it can still be hit and miss as they apparently don't archive EVERYTHING.

[Shoeless Moe]

Ebay seller ID was 59M

Here's one of his items currently for sale:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERB-HILLI...item43c0f97029

It u look at feedback left for him from Jan & Feb 2013, u will see all 4 balls.

[frankbmd]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERB-HILLI...item43c0f97029

Actually this auction I find interesting from a medical point of view. I'm trying to figure out what type of therapy this gadget facilitates. I wonder if treatments using this machine were efficacious and affordable.

[thecatspajamas]

Ironically, the only one that I couldn't pull up the original listing for was the one Paul bought (like I said, it's a crapshoot). Here are the other three though. No mention of any signatures on any of them, for what that's worth, though the "Vim" ball had a photo of a very clear Art Nehf signature with personalization dated 1932 on the sweet spot. Very minimal descriptions from the seller all around.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERB-HILLI...item43c0f97029

Actually this auction I find interesting from a medical point of view. I'm trying to figure out what type of therapy this gadget facilitates. I wonder if treatments using this machine were efficacious and affordable.

Probably a home electroshock unit from around 1900, or a bit later. It may or may not have produced enough for a shock, some only make enough juice for a bit of a tingle.

They were supposed to be good for a variety of problems.

That one is a bit nicer looking than some, but not as cool as the really crazy ones like the one pictured here
http://medicalhistoryandart.com/contents.php?view=12

Quack medical devices is a somewhat popular collecting field.

Steve B