Bad call

[bigred1]

What a bad call on infield fly rule, momentum changer, not saying they would have won, but wow. Can try and justify all he wants, hate to see Chipper go out like that.

[David W]

I'm a Cardinal fan and a Bear fan.....

I think the left field ump was the replacement back judge in the MNF game between Packers and Seahawks....

Both were great calls......

Seriously though, borderline at best "Infield Fly" call.

[jp1216]

Borderline call at best. Landed 225ft from home. Just because the SS appeared 'camped' under the ball doesn't mean it's an automatic call. What if the ball was hit a mile high and the SS runs to the warning track and camps under it? Not to mention the call wasn't 'immediate' per the rule. Very late.
No excuse for that fan behavior, however.

[ALR-bishop]

In the replay, when the ump invokes the rule, the ball is in the air, the infielder has called for it and appears to have a play, and there are runners at 1B and 2B---all of which the under the actual words of the rule seem to call for the rule to be invoked. All the stuff that makes it look like a bad call happen after the rule was already invoked The nature of this rule is that it has to be invoked before whatever happens happens.

As for bad calls, what about the ump giving time to a batte after the pitcher has begun his wind up on what would have been strike 3 and then ends up getting a 2 run homer...or a close play at first base where the fielder seems to touch the base before the runner gets there. At least the Cardinals did not go berserk on those two calls

[nolemmings]

Sorry Al. When the umpire's arm goes up, the SS has already started to peel away from the ball. He was never camped under it either--he is backpedaling the entire time until he stops to peel away. That call did not comport with either the letter or spirit of the rule. BTW, whether in the rules or not, an OF umpire should not be allowed to call the infield fly rule.

IMO, any ball where an OF has a chance to catch it should not be infield fly by rule--end of story. How embarrassing, although not controversial, would it have been had he called IF fly and outfielder Holliday ended up making the catch.

I'm not going to say the Braves got robbed, because they did not play well enough to win and in fact deserved to lose. Whining about a play that was nothing more than the other team's boner is even a bit undignified, IMO. Finally, while I have never been a Chipper Jones fan, I wanted him to win to keep on playing-- but seeing him jog half-ass down to first base in his final major league AB (even though he got bailed out by the ump) was exactly how I will remember him.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Sorry Al. When the umpire's arm goes up, the SS has already started to peel away from the ball.

Glad someone else noticed this - this morning at coffee I had to listen to a gloating Cards fan complain about the 'whining' Braves fans and how the infielder backed off AFTER he saw the ump's hand go up :roll eyes: It's one thing to be a Cardinal fan - it's quite another to be a blind Cardinal fan.

The announcers saw it incorrectly as well, but that should come as no surprise. They also got on their pedestals about the fans throwing stuff on the field, but while it was clearly a bad thing to do, this was all-or-nothing and they had just seen their team get robbed of a legitimate chance to come back quickly.

[HRBAKER]

I grew up just outside of St. Louis and then lived in Atlanta for 18 years. This was a tough game for me to watch. I slowly morphed into a Braves fan first in college by watching them on the Superstation in the fraternity house and then living there for 18 years. Although the Cardinals benefited from a bad, no make that horrendous call, the whole game was the typical tight-ass choke job type of play that the Braves have become famous for in the postseason.

Compare the fire in that Braves lineup to what you see from the Cards, or the A's, or the O's.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Sorry Al. When the umpire's arm goes up, the SS has already started to peel away from the ball. He was never camped under it either--he is backpedaling the entire time until he stops to peel away. That call did not comport with either the letter or spirit of the rule. BTW, whether in the rules or not, an OF umpire should not be allowed to call the infield fly rule.

IMO, any ball where an OF has a chance to catch it should not be infield fly by rule--end of story. How embarrassing, although not controversial, would it have been had he called IF fly and outfielder Holliday ended up making the catch.

I'm not going to say the Braves got robbed, because they did not play well enough to win and in fact deserved to lose. Whining about a play that was nothing more than the other team's boner is even a bit undignified, IMO. Finally, while I have never been a Chipper Jones fan, I wanted him to win to keep on playing-- but seeing him jog half-ass down to first base in his final major league AB (even though he got bailed out by the ump) was exactly how I will remember him.

Completely agree with this in its entirety. Kozma backed off well before the Ump signaled "out". And the purpose of the rule is to prevent a double play (which had zero chance of happening on a ball hit that deep).

But mostly I agree with the part about Chipper Jones "dogging it" down the line. That was the most deplorable aspect of this poorly played game. Even worse than his devastating game-changing error, IMHO.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by perezfan

completely agree with this in its entirety. Kozma backed off well before the ump signaled "out". And the purpose of the rule is to prevent a double play (which had zero chance of happening on a ball hit that deep).

But mostly i agree with the part about chipper jones "dogging it" down the line. That was the most deplorable aspect of this poorly played game. Even worse than his devastating game-changing error, imho.

good point, and i agree. For him to end his career like this is a travesty.....