Just popped this T206 out of its plastic, guess what grade it was given ?

[tedzan]

Another gem to add to my AMERICAN BEAUTY collection. I had to let Davy Jones "breathe". Nice picture....
no creases....a little "fatter" than most American Beauty's....and, an unusually well centered back.

So, what grade would you assign to this card ?







T-Rex TED

[packs]

Ink spot. Looks like some surface wear. I'm going to guess a 1.5.

[FrankWakefield]

Sgc30

[Rob D.]

In the "old" days," many dealers who were selling it would have said: excellent-mint.

In the "old days," many of those same dealers who were negotiating to buy it from a collector would have said: good.

Moral to the story: TPG has ruined the hobby.

[steve B]

Odd but probably factory right edge? I'll say an undeserved A.

Nice looking card.

Steve B

[phikappapsi]

I'm guessing AUTH

The right edge looks pretty hacked up. If they didn't deem it trimmed, then I'm guessing 2. Some staining, moderate corner wear, and some very mild paper loss.

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

I'm guessing AUTH

The right edge looks pretty hacked up. If they didn't deem it trimmed, then I'm guessing 2. Some staining, moderate corner wear, and some very mild paper loss.

+1

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

I'm guessing AUTH

The right edge looks pretty hacked up. If they didn't deem it trimmed, then I'm guessing 2. Some staining, moderate corner wear, and some very mild paper loss.

I agree

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

In the "old" days," many dealers who were selling it would have said: excellent-mint.

In the "old days," many of those same dealers who were negotiating to buy it from a collector would have said: good.

Moral to the story: TPG has ruined the hobby.

And now dealers that are selling it will say its severely under-graded

When buying the same card its really over graded

[E93]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

In the "old" days," many dealers who were selling it would have said: excellent-mint.

In the "old days," many of those same dealers who were negotiating to buy it from a collector would have said: good.

Moral to the story: TPG has ruined the hobby.

+1

Right on target.
JimB

[E93]

As for the TPG assessment, for all the reasons mentioned above my guess would be "authentic", but if given a numerical grade, PSA 2/SGC 30.
JimB

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

In the "old" days," many dealers who were selling it would have said: excellent-mint.

In the "old days," many of those same dealers who were negotiating to buy it from a collector would have said: good.

Moral to the story: TPG has ruined the hobby.

In the "new days" there are color fake fro joys slabbed by PSA

In the "new days" there is a trimmed T206 Wagner slabbed by PSA

In the "new days" there are PSA graded T206's in SCP auctions that have impossible front back combinations

In the "new days" a $50.00 Ozzie Smith PSA 10 sells for $20,000.00

Moral to the story - TPG ruined the hobby and is a cancer

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by danmckee

In the "new days" there are color fake fro joys slabbed by PSA

In the "new days" there is a trimmed T206 Wagner slabbed by PSA

In the "new days" there are PSA graded T206's in SCP auctions that have impossible front back combinations

In the "new days" a $50.00 Ozzie Smith PSA 10 sells for $20,000.00

Moral to the story - TPG ruined the hobby and is a cancer

Excellent points, Dan. It's good to know that you've stopped having your cards submitted for TPG and aren't selling slabbed cards any longer.

Keep fighting the good fight.

[markf31]

Originally Posted by danmckee

In the "new days" there are color fake fro joys slabbed by PSA

In the "new days" there is a trimmed T206 Wagner slabbed by PSA

In the "new days" there are PSA graded T206's in SCP auctions that have impossible front back combinations

In the "new days" a $50.00 Ozzie Smith PSA 10 sells for $20,000.00

Moral to the story - TPG ruined the hobby and is a cancer

I do agree with the Ozzie Smith point, it is well taken I believe.

As to your other points, color fake fro joys, trimmed T206 Wagners and T206 impossible front back combinations existed well before the grading companies, they existed for sale on the internet, in autions and at card shows before grading companies. That goes for any and all fradulantly produced or altered cards. The Pete Rose rookie counterfeits that flooded the market came well before grading companies.

The grading companies IMO have done a great job at weeding out many, upon many of these fake, fraudulant and altered cards from the market. Are they perfect, of course not. But they have eliminated tons of these types of cards from the market and for that I think they should be commended.

With any grading/authentication system cards will slip through the system. I think the number of cards that correctly get rejected for being fake, trimmed and altered far out number the cards that slip through the system. And IMO that is a huge benefit to the hobby and collectors.

[usernamealreadytaken]

The suspense is killing me!

With TPG today, that card could grade between "Authentic" to "EX (5)."

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

In the "old" days," many dealers who were selling it would have said: excellent-mint.

In the "old days," many of those same dealers who were negotiating to buy it from a collector would have said: good.

Moral to the story: TPG has ruined the hobby.

Hilarious!

[ethicsprof]

Ted,
It looks good to me---which would be a B(80ish) at the university but
an sgc 30 in the weird Weltanschauung of vintage card grading.

congrats, no matter what the plastic said, ole buddy

all the best,
barry

[GrayGhost]

SGC 20 perhaps.

[T206Collector]

Looks scissor cut on the right edge -- i'm going with AUTH

[tedzan]

There is a rough "factory-cut" on the upper half of the right edge. I've seen this type of cut on other American Beauty cards that are "on the wild (wide) side"
as is this Davy Jones card.

Whatever, those of you who are saying there is so-called "paper loss", please identify it to the rest of us ? I've looked closely at this card (front/back) and do
not see any paper loss.

Carry on, guys...........






TED Z

[3-2-count]

Great looking card. I'll say authentic as well.

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by tedzan

There is a rough "factory-cut" on the upper half of the right edge. I've seen this type of cut on other American Beauty cards that are "on the wild (wide) side"
as is this Davy Jones card.

Whatever, those of you who are saying there is so-called "paper loss", please identify it to the rest of us ? I've looked closely at this card (front/back) and do
not see any paper loss.

Carry on, guys...........






TED Z

So, I'm guessing it got a grade in line with what we're all saying, and you think it should be higher, so you broke it out? Are you going to tell us the grade it got?

As for the "rough cut" I've seen some poor factory edges before, but none that rough or wavy...which makes me think it's been hand trimmed.

As for paper loss, you can see it on the back at the top, the whole upper rear edge has lost the layer 1 of the paper, as well as the front lower left corner, unless it's a much softer corner than I initially guessed, it looks like there's a layer of paper loss their too.

[Abravefan11]

Based on the scan I believe Ted is correct that it's a rough factory cut on the right side. What effect this had on the grade is hard to say. I do think the border chipping and most importantly the scuff across the middle of the front of the card would relegate it to a 30 at best and likely a 20. The TPG may have given it an A based on the rough cut.

[Cardboard Junkie]

I'll guess "Auth" possibly a "1" ? Aloha, dave ps big distraction for me is the front abrasion across the middle front (and the mk ink spot). Also might add that if it was from the D. Young collection it probably graded a 9

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

So, I'm guessing it got a grade in line with what we're all saying, and you think it should be higher, so you broke it out? Are you going to tell us the grade it got?

As for the "rough cut" I've seen some poor factory edges before, but none that rough or wavy...which makes me think it's been hand trimmed.

My, oh my....
....you sure have a suspicios mind ? As many on this forum know, I am no fan of "graded" cards. When I acquire them, I usually separate the cardboard from the plastic.
Perhaps, re-grading cards in hopes of a higher grade is your modus operandi ? ?

And, that's fine....but, do not judge others as such, when you do not know what they collect or how they collect it.

The following scans are samples of how I collect, store and display my sportscards........













Hey guys....
I'd say that we've had enough inputs here, so this afternoon I will post the Davy Jones card scan (prior to my extricating it from its rectangular device).
I have to go out now and attend to my "honey-do" list


TED Z

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guys....
I'd say that we've had enough inputs here, so this afternoon I will post the Davy Jones card scan (prior to my extricating it from its rectangular device).
I have to go out now and attend to my "honey-do" list

TED Z

Could you also tweet it in case some of us are away from our computers?

[phikappapsi]

Certainly didn't mean to offend, nor was I judging, and certainly not saying you trimmed the card.

All I was saying was it 'seems' as though it came back with a grade far off from what you agree with (hence starting a thread)

I ve never sent a card in for regrade, I generally only buy a graded card if I actually agree with the grade it has, that way I avoid overpaying... Too much risk buying a card you think is under graded, then you find a flaw, and realize you're stuck with something you didn't want. So no, I don't crack slabs. That said, I think the way you present your cards is wonderful!

I was simply trying, in my limited estimating skills, to guess an appropriate grade, which I said was either auth if deemed trimmed, or 2 if deemed factory cut