Is anyone else getting sick of the constant BS in listings?

[calvindog]

Here's a "high end" PSA 5 and the opportunity to 'steal' this card. Only problem is you can barely make out the image on the card which, to some people other than Ray Charles, might be important.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1887-N172-Old-Ju...#ht_500wt_1357

Can I make a suggestion to the sellers who can't control themselves with their obvious lies, their misleading comments about value, prior sales, etc. -- get a f%$#@g job.

[egbeachley]

Plus it is miscut - the right border is not straight.

[botn]

Pete now might be a good time to jump in...Are you out there?

[sycks22]

I took off the high end, sorry guys. I was a little surprised it got a 5 too. I got it at a good price though.

[7nohitter]

I wouldn't look twice at that card....something listed at that price MUST have great photos of the item.

[novakjr]

I knew I'd seen that card somewhere before. It's in the B/S/T for $6000. I don't really see anything wrong with the listing. However, if you've got a BIN of $8,200, it might not be the best idea to say that it "has and SMR of $4000" in the listing. Also, as it was earlier pointed out, it does look miscut. Appearances can be deceiving though..

[Bicem]

shouldn't it be in the ebay section in the B/S/T?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Bicem

shouldn't it be in the ebay section in the B/S/T?

I think he's trying to sell it in both places. Thus the lower price here. Net54 discount.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bicem

shouldn't it be in the ebay section in the B/S/T?

It is.









now

[sycks22]

I never started this listing aka I only posted it in the B/S/T. It's not Calvindogs card obviously

[Bicem]

also, card would look better in a BVG holder.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Leon

It is.

now

I think he might've had it in the right place. He was trying to sell it on Net54, and not link it to the ebay auction...

[sycks22]

Originally Posted by novakjr

I think he might've had it in the right place. He was trying to sell it on Net54, and not link it to the ebay auction...

I didn't list it with the ebay listing.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by sycks22

I didn't list it with the ebay listing.

exactly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff you must stop using Hal Lewis tactics to beat sellers down on price. Shame on you.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Bicem

also, card would look better in a BVG holder.

Whats the SMR on a BVG 5?

[Kenny Cole]

Peter,

That was pretty funny. It made me laugh out loud after a not so fun day.

Kenny

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sycks22

I didn't list it with the ebay listing.

Certainly nothing personal but when I clicked on the link it went to ebay....so that is why I moved it.

And I might add I just went back and put it back in the 19th century category. It was Jeff's link I clicked on . My apology.

[sycks22]

I appreciate it Leon

[oldjudge]

"Wright is commonly referred to as the "Grandfather of professional baseball" as he brought us the overhand pitch back in the 1800's."

Huh? Where did this come from?

[JamesGallo]

You know it goes both ways. As a seller I would be rich if I got a penny for every buyer who said my item was over graded and not worth crap and then offered me half of what I wanted.

Sure at some point talking up a card gets silly, but as a seller aren't you SUPPOSED to talk up your product :-)

That being said not sure why you would like a lower SMR price when you want almost double for the card. Usually that goes the other way and SMR is usually way off, seems in this case they are way low...

James G

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

"Wright is commonly referred to as the "Grandfather of professional baseball" as he brought us the overhand pitch back in the 1800's."

Huh? Where did this come from?

Hi Jay, no overhand pitch, but found this :


"It was there where he is credited with introducing innovations such as backing up infield plays from the outfield and shifting defensive alignments based on hitters' tendencies"

Joe

[oldjudge]

Joe-I know Wright did a lot of things, just not what this guy stated.

[BigDan502]

I always loved the "it's graded x , but you can send it in to be regraded and it'll surely get a higher grade"

I am so glad my eBay selling days are behind me. I felt like a dirty 80's dealer hawking 50 ct lots of Cory Snyder by the end.

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by BigDan502

I always loved the "it's graded x , but you can send it in to be regraded and it'll surely get a higher grade"

That's just asking for a negative when it doesn't.

[bobbyw8469]

Odd...

[53Browns]

Let's ease up on Pete here. He's a first rate kind of guy and hasnt told any lies. He's just trying to sell a card. When you try and sell something, you always try and build it up to potential buyers.

[sycks22]

Direct quote from the site

" Many of Wright’s innovative ideas still exist today including pre-game practice, a live cork centered baseball, and, most important, overhand pitching"

Why would I lie about that?

[iggyman]

Have I stumbled onto some sort of time vortex??? This thread reminds me of the good old days on Net54 when any post would lead to inflammatory dialogue and ultimately demerits, suspensions, lost friends, and creation of new pre-war forum websites. I'm as nostalgic as the next guy, but hopefully this thread will die a quick death.

Lovely day...

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by BigDan502

I always loved the "it's graded x , but you can send it in to be regraded and it'll surely get a higher grade"

I am so glad my eBay selling days are behind me. I felt like a dirty 80's dealer hawking 50 ct lots of Cory Snyder by the end.

Gotta love Cory Snyder...His '85 Olympic card was one of my favorites growing up. It's virtually worthless, but I still love it for sentimental reasons..

[BigDan502]

My favorite worthless card is 1989 upper deck
Jerome Walton. They were actually selling for $12
When they first came out and my old man wouldn't let me have one.
I was 8 so there was nothing I could do about it.
Junior Felix was the man too.

a quick ps, I had no issue at all with the original.
You gotta write something in the description on eBay so you might
As well pitch the card as best you can.

[Zach Wheat]

I agree with Iggy. Almost makes me wish for Peter Chao to liven up the board again. Naaahhh.

[oldjudge]

Pete-What site was that from? Harry Wright didn't innitiate overhand pitching.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Gotta love Cory Snyder...His '85 Olympic card was one of my favorites growing up. It's virtually worthless, but I still love it for sentimental reasons..

Same here. I had a stack of them as a teenager. Thought he was gonna be better then McGwire LOL!!

Plus he played for the Waterbury Indians, whose Stadium I could actually see from my grandmothers house.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Pete-What site was that from? Harry Wright didn't innitiate overhand pitching.

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=18791

[barrysloate]

So the seller took erroneous information from Goodwin's site, and used it for his sale. Why not use a primary source to see what Harry Wright's actual contributions to baseball were?

Also see that card has become a lot more valuable since the auction closed. Must be inflation.

[oldjudge]

Barry-That's hilarious! When I first read the description my reaction was to think of Goodwin Auction descriptions, the only place where I recall seeing inaccuracies like that. I didn't realize that the description WAS lifted from a Goodwin Auction description.

It should be listed as the "Ghost of Harry Wright" variety. You can't see him, but you can feel his presence, kinda.

[kcohen]

I know this is off the subject of the OP, but once again, this card brings to light how ridiculous the grading scale is for OJs. This bugs me more than inflated descriptions. Yes, I know this issue has been raised before. I would pay more for a PSA 1 with a clear and rich image than for a seriously faded PSA 5. If that card was little more than a blank piece of cardboard, yet barely identifiable as Wright, it would have probably gotten the same grade.

[novakjr]

When I originally saw the description on ebay, the overhand thing didn't even register with me. I couldn't seem to get past the mention of the $4000 SMR while trying to sell the card for $8200.

[barrysloate]

Jay- well of course that brings us to the topic of grading, and how a card with that light a photo should never be a 5 under any circumstances. But that's for another thread.

[Matthew H]

Sorry Pete... You paid too much for that card.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Also see that card has become a lot more valuable since the auction closed. Must be inflation.

I'm glad I bought most of my cards before QE2.

[rhettyeakley]

Wow, tough crowd today. A little far fetched description and price but you guys are brutal! It's his card he can ask what he wants.

[sycks22]

I love all the chatter on here.

[calvindog]

If the card is a steal at $8200 what was it when it was bought a week ago for $2991? A Ponzi scheme?

[sycks22]

I just talked to Harry Wright's ghost image and he said "make a profit pete". True story.

[abothebear]

Originally Posted by sycks22

I just talked to Harry Wright's ghost image and he said "make a profit pete". True story.

I wish there was a "like" option for comments.

[Big Six]

...I love this forum...

[rdixon1208]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Wow, tough crowd today. A little far fetched description and price but you guys are brutal! It's his card he can ask what he wants.

No kidding. I haven't seen a thread this juvenile in a while.

[chaddurbin]

no matter what the smr is...

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Sorry Pete... You paid too much for that card.