World series trophy question

[whiteymet]

Hi All:

A question about 12" World Series Trophies. I have seen two different 1980 Phillies World Series Trophies both in auctions at major auction houses.

However there is a difference in the engraved wording on the gold banding.

See the first one here:

http://huntauctions.com/live/imagevi...m=78&lot_qual=


notice the words "World Series Champions"

on the second photo the wording says " World Champion" on the first line.

See:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/60186364@N00/5556298662/
So why the difference? Is one legit the other not? Were two different ones made? Any info that you can provide would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Fred

[Ringking]

I've seen replica's sell for 400.00 before. Seems a little high...

[sports-rings]

i have a few world series trophies. there is a mystery going on with full size trophies. The first one I ever saw at auction went for over $30,000 and it was an A's trophy. A's rings and trophies just do not sell anywhere near the levels that we see for the NY, Boston, and Phillie teams. The reason the full size trophy went for so much was that they were so rare.

within a few years, these full-size trophies started popping up all over the place. I have seen them up close and they are 100 percent dead on replicas. Sometimes the only difference I can see is that the baseball has engraving on the real ones. I have heard some theories as to how these trophies are made. some have claimed that trophy parts were taken from Balfour and assembled elsewhere.

the only problem with this theory is that the full size replicas started showing up for the new tiffiny models too! They too are all over the place. A major auction house was selling one and I complained it was not real and they told me they would look into suing me if I brought up their name on these boards and discussed their trophy.

with so many full size trophies in the market place, the prices have fallen from $30,000 in the old days, to around $10,000.00 today.


I have not seen the smaller trophies copied. perhaps it is too much time and trouble to copy these as they do not sell for more than $4-5 thousand dollars. I have seen multiple engraving styles and fonts.

I have never seen a 12" trophy replica sell in the $400 price range.

[whiteymet]

Sports - rings:

Thanks for the reply. You say you have seen multiple engraving styles and fonts on the 12" trophys, but have you seen, and should there be, different WORDING on the SAME year's trophy?

Fred

[sports-rings]

here are some pictures with different wording and/or type styles.

[whiteymet]

Thanks for the photos? And these are all legit?

I notice a difference on the Dodgers press pin in the first two photos. Am I seeing things or is there a difference?

[Ringking]

Historic Auctions in FL had a white sox rep one that was 400.00

Just because you didn't see one before dose not make it so.