Found this on slantycouch.com-any thoughts on #14

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Posted By: George L

Guys, I saw this on slantycouch.com. Cool site. But noticed in the list Sovereign 460 back was listed as #14 right below Carolina Brights and right above Hindu brown. I know other people differ in what they feel is the exact scarcity order but had never seek Sovereign that high. Any opinions/thoughts on the toughness of the Sovereign 460 back?



T206 Backs in Order of Rarity (Decending Order)
Brand Subjects Factory
1 Ty Cobb Assorted Factory 33, 4th Dist. NC
2 Old Mill (So. Lge) Overprint(s) Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
3 Old Mill (brown) Assorted Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
4 Broad Leaf 460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
5 Drum 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
6 Uzit Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
7 Lenox (brown) Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
8 Hindu (red) Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
9 Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC
10 Blank Back N/A N/A
11 Lenox (black) Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist NY
12 Broad Leaf 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
13 Carolina Brights Assorted Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
14 Sovereign 460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
15 Hindu (brown) Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
16 American Beauty 460 Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC
17 American Beauty (No Frame) 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
18 Cycle 460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
19 American Beauty (Frame) 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
20 Cycle 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
21 Tolstoi Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
22 Sovereign 150 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
23 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
24 Old Mill (Southern) (black) Assorted Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
25 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC
26 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
27 El Principe De Gales Assorted Factory 17, 2nd Dist. VA
28 Sovereign 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
29 Old Mill (black) Assorted Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
30 Sweet Caporal (overprint) 150 Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
31 Polar Bear Assorted Factory 6, 1st Dist. OH
32 Sweet Caporal (overprint) 350-460 Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC
35 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
36 Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
33 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 30, 2nd Dist NY
34 Piedmont 150 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
37 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30, 2nd Dist NY
38 Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
39 Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30, 2nd Dist NY
40 Piedmont 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

It has to be the 460 series back doing it.

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Posted By: George L

I just didnt realize it was that much tougher than the 350..and noticed it was above Hindu brown on the list. I have sold and bought a few Sovereign 460 and never noticed much of a premium(atleast compared to other Sovereign backs)

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Posted By: barrysloate

There are about 12-15 Ty Cobb backs known. Does anybody think there are at least that many Old Mill overprint backs out there? I highly doubt it.

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Posted By: Scot Reader

I agree with Barry. There are probably six to eight examples of the Old Mill overprint back and about a dozen examples of the Cobb back.

Also, Brown Lenox is probably more difficult than Uzit, Drum and Broadleaf 460. I have seen about three or four Brown Lenoxes in the last five years [Chase (Trophy) and Lajoie (Batting) come to mind] as compared with about three dozen Uzits, a dozen Drums and eight Broadleaf 460s.

And Sovereign 460 is not as scarce as indicated. Its difficulty is enhanced somewhat by the fact that it is only possible on 52 subjects, but I don't think it is as tough as Brown Hindu, for example.

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Barry,there might be that many Ty Cobb backs around but how many have you seen on the back of a t206 card....so far I've seen none so I would say its rare enough to be ranked #1 or #1a right next to the Hustler t206 back.

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Posted By: stefan

well i think that order is whack. For one i agree with Barry ive seen many Ty Cobb backs definitely more than the Old Mill Overprints. Also Brown Lenox are extremely tough and would rank above Uzit and Drum, but in my opinion equal in toughness of the Broadleaf 460. Secondly i think that blank backs are tougher than the Piedmont 42's and finally the Sovereign 460's should be much lower on the list.
That is my take on it or at least my experience in to trying to collect tough t206 backs.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I know John, I thought about that too. But that's for another thread.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

if anyone wants to trade a Lenox for my Piedmont 460-factory 42 card, let's talk. No takers? Thought so...

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

the old mill bar is not a back like uzit or drum. it is a southern old mill with a sweet cap 649 bar on it-an error -not a back.
there are several diffrent versions-one bar and two bars in black and one bar in red.
an error-not a back.