Please help identify ... M101-2?

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Posted By: Rob

I have two photos of Nap Rucker. The first is a recent purchase that I know is a M101-2 Sporting News Supplement, with the date September 16, 1909 on the front.

The second, however, I purchased a while ago thinking it was a M101-2, as thats what the auction listing said, and on the back of the photo it has a date written in pen "9/16/09". Can anyone identify what the 2nd photo really is?

Thanks!
Rob

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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

Hi Rob,

Very interesting. The player identifiication box looks very similar between the two supplements. Perhaps he had more than one supplement issued by the Sporting News? I'm guessing someone put the date on the back after seeing the date listed in a catalog.

I'm curious as to whether the bottom supplement might be trimmed? If so, the name of the company might have been lost with the alteration.

The Boston Post and Boston Herald also released supplements that look quite similar to the M101-2s as well.

Good luck with the identification.

Patrick

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

According to Marc Okkonen's book on team uniforms, Brooklyn did not wear that logo/design on their arm until 1910, and the uniform depicted correpsonds to the 1913 squad. If he's right, this would not have been issued in 1909 as handwritten on the back. Also, the first 10 Sporting News premiums from 1909 had that white informational strip across the top, and after they started in July, each week is accounted for. I'm guessing it's a premium from some other source.

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Posted By: Rob

thanks for all the info so far! He's not on the checklist for either Boston Herald or Sunday Post, and a quick scan of the oldcardboard.com "M" cards doesn't show any similar looking photos. And the checklists I've seen for Sporting News Supplements only has the one Rucker (from 9/16/09).

Thanks for any add'l info!
Rob

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Posted By: Anonymous

It is from the 1913 series of Baseball Magazine Player Posters. That is the only year he is listed as being printed.

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Posted By: Rob

Hi oljoe, thanks for the info. So you think its from the M113 series? The only thing is its not quite as big as what they say in the link below ...

http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m113/m113.asp?cardsetID=971>

edited to ask: If anyone has a list of M113s, please point me in that direction!

Thanks!
Rob

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Posted By: Anonymous

1912 Posters

Frank ChanceCubs
New York Giants Team PhotoGiants
Babe AdamsPirates
Howie CamnitzPirates
Claude HendrixPirates
Marty O'ToolePirates
Boston Red Sox Team PhotoRed Sox

1913 Posters

Jack BarryA's
Joe BushA's
Eddie CollinsA's
Connie MackA's
Stuffy McInnisA's
Eddie PlankA's
Philadelphia A's Team PhotoA's
Boston Braves Team PhotoBraves
Jimmy ArcherCubs
Jake DaubertDodgers
"Nap" RuckerDodgers
Larry DoyleGiants
Art FletcherGiants
Rube MarquardGiants
Christy MathewsonGiants
John McGrawGiants
"Chief" MeyersGiants
Red MurrayGiants
Joe JacksonIndians
Nap LajoieIndians
Tris SpeakerRed Sox
Smokey Joe WoodRed Sox
Walter JohnsonSenators
Sam CrawfordTigers
Reb RussellWhite Sox
Ed WalshWhite Sox
Fritz MaiselYankees


1914 Posters

Home Run BakerA's
Wally SchangA's
Bob ShawkeyA's
Joe ConnollyBraves
Hank GowdyBraves
Bill JamesBraves
Rabbit MaranvilleBraves
Dick RudolphBraves
Charles SchmidtBraves
Lefty TylerBraves
Boston Braves Team PhotoBraves
St. Louis Browns Team PhotoBrowns
Larry CheneyCubs
Jimmy LavenderCubs
Wildfire SchulteCubs
Chicago Cubs Team PhotoCubs
Cleveland Indians Team PhotoIndians
Jimmy SheckardReds
Cincinnati Reds Team PhotoReds
Washington Senators Team PhotoSenators
Detroit Tigers Team PhotoTigers
New York Yankees Team PhotoYankees
Chicago Whales Team PotoWhales - Federals


1915 Posters

Chief BenderA's
Philadelphia A's Team PhotoA's
St. Louis Cardinals Team PhotoCardinals
Grover AlexanderPhillies
Philadelphia Phillies Team PhotoPhillies
Harry HooperRed Sox
Duffy LewisRed Sox
Tris SpeakerRed Sox
Boston Red Sox Team PhotoRed Sox
Chicago White Sox Team PhotoWhite Sox


1916 Posters

George SislerBrowns
Rogers HornsbyCardinals
Zach WheatDodgers
Brooklyn Dodgers Team PhotoDodgers
Benny KauffGiants
Dave RobertsonGiants
Philadelphia Phillies Team PhotoPhillies
Larry GardnerRed Sox
Babe RuthPitchingRed Sox
Buck HerzogReds
Walter JohnsonSenators
Fielder JonesSt. Louis - Federals


1917 Posters

George BurnsGiants
Art FletcherGiants
Ferd SchuppGiants
New York Giants Team PhotoGiants
Boston Red Sox Team PhotoRed Sox
Ed CicotteWhite Sox
Red FaberWhite Sox
Happy FelschWhite Sox
Ray SchalkWhite Sox
Buck WeaverWhite Sox


1918 Posters

Home Run BakerYankees


1919 Posters

Cincinnati Reds Team PhotoReds
Ed CicotteWhite Sox
Chicago White Sox Team PhotoWhite Sox


1920 Posters

Rogers HornsbyCardinals
Burleigh GrimesDodgers
Hy MyersDodgers
Hippo VaughnDodgers
Brooklyn Dodgers Team PhotoDodgers
Dave BancroftGiants
Earl SmithGiants
Jim BagbyIndians
Duster MailsIndians
Steve O'NeillIndians
Tris SpeakerIndians
Bill WambsganssIndians
Cleveland Indians Team PhotoIndians
Max CareyPirates
Hod EllerReds
Heinie GrohReds
Pat MoranReds
Edd RoushReds
Dutch RuetherReds
Walter JohnsonSenators
Harry CoveleskiTigers
Bobby VeachTigers
Dick KerrWhite Sox
Ray SchalkWhite Sox
Babe RuthBatting / No Stands in BackgroundYankees


That is the best I can do for now. I am trying to find the rest up to 57 and sort them. The sizes varied by year from 9" x 12.25" to 9" x 20".

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Posted By: Steve Murray

These are so confusing and assigning a year seems an impossible task.

Indians Team
Aldredge, Victor
Alexander, Grover Cleveland
Appling, Luke
Appling, Luke
Ashburn, Richie
Bagby, James
Bagby, James Jr.
Bartell, Richard
Beggs, Joseph
Bell, Lester
Berger, Walter
Blanton, Darrell (Cy)
Bonham, Eernest
Bottomly, James L.
Boudreau, Louis
Bridges, Tom
Brissie, Lou
Brown, James
Burns, George
Camilli, Dolph
Cavarretta, Philip
Chandler, Spurgeon
Chapman, Sam
Clift, Harlond
Cobb, Tyrus Raymond
Cooper, Morton
Cooper, William Walker
Critz, Hugh
Cronin, Joe
Cronin, Joe
Cronin, Joe
Cuccinello, Tony
Dark, Alvin
Dark, Alvin
Deringer, Paul
Derringer, Paul
Di Maggio, Joseph
Dickey, William
DiMaggio, Dominic
Doby, Larry
Dropo, Walter
Elliott, Bob
Elliott, Robert
Ennis, Del
Ennis, Del
Fain, Ferris
Ferrell, Wesley
Ferrell, Wesley
Gordon, Joe (Flash)
Gordon, Joe (Flash)
Goslin, Leon "Goose"
Greenberg, "Hank"
Greenberg, "Hank"
Hack, Stanley
Hack, Stanley
Hallahan, "Wild Bill"
Harder, Melvin (Mel)
Hartnett, Leo
Heilmann, Harry
Henrich, Tom
Higbe, Kirby
Hornsby, Rogers
Hornsby, Rogers
Hornsby, Rogers
Hubbell, Carl
Hubbell, Carl
Irvin, Monte
Jackson, Travis
Johnson, Bill
Johnson, Bob
Keller, Charles
Keller, Charles
Kelly, George
Kiner, Ralph
Kluszewski, Ted
Kolloway, Donald
Lemon, Robert
Leonard, Emil (Dutch)
Lockman, Carroll
Lopez, Al
Lopez, Al
Maglie, Salvatore
Marion, Martin
McCarthy, Joe
McCormick, Frank
McCormick, Frank
McCormick, Frank
McCullough
McQuinn, George
Melton, Cliofford
Meusel, E.
Michaels, Cass
Mitchell, Dale
Mize, John
Moore, Joseph
Moses, Wallace
Mueller, Ray
Myer, Charles (Buddy)
Nehf, Arthur
Newhouser, Harold
Nicholson, William
Ott, Melvin (Mel)
Owen, Arnold (Mickey)
Pollet, Howard
Reese, Harold (Peewee)
Reiser, Harold (Pete)
Reynolds, Allie
Riddle, Elmer
Roberts, Robin
Ruffing, Charles
Sauer, Henry
Schumacher, Hal.
Shantz, Robert
Slaughter, Enos
Speaker, "Tris"
Spence, Stanley
Stanky, Edward
Stephens, Vernon
Stirnweiss, George
Tabor, James
Terry, "Bill"
Thevenow, Thomas
Thurston, Hollis
Traynor, Harold "Pie"
Trosky, Harold
Valo, Elmer
Vander Meer, John
Vaughan, Floyd (Arky)
Vosmik, Joseph
Walker, Fred (Dixie)
Waner, Lloyd
Waner, Paul
Warneke, Lon.
Williams, Ted
Witek, Nicholas (Mickey)
Wright, Glen
Wynn, Early
Zernial, Gus

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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

I have a Chief Meyers Baseball Magazine poster, and it has his name at the bottom, but not in a box like: the M101-2s, Boston Sunday Post, Boston Herald, and Philadelphia Evening Times. I think you can rule out The Baseball Magazine. I think the key to identification is matching the player's name and box to another supplement with the same design. Perhaps a small regional newspaper issue.

Patrick

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Posted By: Rob

Thanks everyone for your input so far! Very much appreciated.

I agree I don't think its a Baseball Magazine Poster, as my issue measures 9 7/8 tall x 8" wide.

Nap Rucker is listed as having a "Police Gazette" in 1913, according to:

http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m128/m128list.asp

Does anyone have a Police Gazette from 1913? Perhaps they looked different that year than some of the other years?

I agree with what you said Patrick. It looks similar to both Boston Herald Supplements (of course its not that though, as they only issued Red Sox and Braves) and M101-2. Perhaps Brooklyn had a newspaper that issued supplements as well?

Thanks again guys!
Rob

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Posted By: Rob

I received a couple of emails (thank you guys!). One confirmed its not from the Police Gazette, and the other said its a Brooklyn Eagle supplement and while very rare, its trimmed.

I found alot of info only about the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper, but couldn't find any information at all about the supplements. Anyone have any info on these? Are they by chance in Lipset's Encyclopedia? I purchased one a week ago online but it hasn't come in yet.

Thanks!
Rob

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Posted By: martindl

While it is not the Police Gazette supplement, the image is identical to the 1913 Police Gazette issue i.e same photo, except that your image retains the stands and the person at left, whereas the Gazette only has Rucker. The Gazette issue has "copyright International News Service, New York" if that helps any.

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Posted By: Mike

It is from July 1915 Baseball Magazine Park Edition which also included Walter Johnson