Quality of this Goudey Ruth (#144) PSA7?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Is this a high end or low end PSA7? Are you ok with the centering? Edges? What are your thoughts on the #144?

Thanks and regards.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260089678925&rd=1&rd=1#ebayphotohosting

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Posted By: dapnj

Signed,

DAPNJ

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Posted By: cmoking

The first thing I'd be worried about is the guy's feedback. Piss poor.

edited to add: now I look more carefully at his feedback history, it looks like his negatives came a long time ago. So maybe that is no longer an issue.

As for the card, from the scan, it looks a bit oc and the corners are tough to see, but from the small scan, looks a bit rough. If I was interested, I'd ask the seller to email larger scans front/back.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

The seller hasn't had a neg since Oct '02. Here's the list of negs:


3 months, lots of promises but NO PAYMENT! DEABEAT BIDDER!!!
yanks-fan( 227) no longer a registered user
Oct-11-02 06:44 1841548704
Reply by dmick: Unreasonable Man - Sent Payment - Communicated Appropriately and he leaves Neg?? Oct-12-02 09:31

**WAS HIGH BIDDER, **NEVER PAID FOR ITEM
bob-rds( 1537) Jan-25-00 15:22 216844736
Reply by dmick: Out of town on business unexpectedly - same thing for two negatives in Jan 1999

BEWARE THIS DEADBEAT!! After 1 wk. responds with promise to pay..BUT DOESN'T!!
cubman23( 664) Jan-02-00 15:39 214334164
Reply by dmick: I was unavailable during Christmas week - See above retraction

NEVER PAID, NO COMMUNICATION, NO NOTHIN'! DISHONEST & DISREPUTABLE!
flynnmg( 1101) Jan-12-99 06:53

NEVER PAID DID NOT RETURN EMAILS YOU OWE ME $28. DENNIS -PAY UP!!!!!
tomkat-13( 2030) Jan-05-99 08:52

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Posted By: dapnj

Turns out that the edges do look pretty nice, but the side to side front centering is about 70/30. Does this seem unusual for a PSA-7? Would this automatically means that, in your mind, this would be a "low grade PSA-7"? Thanks and best regards.

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Posted By: Jeff Prizner

The seller is a friend of mine, the auction is legit.

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Posted By: dapnj

Not suggesting in the least that the auction is not legit. I've been emailing back and forth with the seller, and he seems very fair, reasonable and above board. I'm just trying to gauge whether a PSA 7 with 70/30 centering is attractive or not. Thanks and regards.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

To begin with you seem to be teetering on whether this card is strong for the grade. The following is PSAs criteria for grading a card a "7":

NM 7: Near Mint.

A PSA NM 7 is a card with just a slight surface wear visible upon close inspection. There may be slight fraying on some corners. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. A minor printing blemish is acceptable. Slight wax staining is acceptable on the back of the card only. Most of the original gloss is retained. Centering must be approximately 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.

You somehow believe that the card meets the 70/30 criteria for centering (front). I don't need a micrometer to tell me that the ratio is worse than 70/30 side to side. So, if you asked me, PSA screws up again and provides a grade to a card that it shouldn't have. PSAs own criteria indicates that it should not be greater than 70/30 on the centering. Therefore if you're worried about the grade then don't buy the card. However, the overall appearance, IMO, is that it looks nice even with it being off centered. Now if you're buying the slab/label, then don't do it unless you can get a good discount on the price. Otherwise, just pass on the card and find another with better centering (which will probably end up costing you more).

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Posted By: dapnj

Judge, I blew up the scans I was sent, and it actually is 70/30. I was as surprised as you seem to be.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

I did the same thing. I blew it up and then concluded it was about 65/35. I suppose that's close enough to 70/30. The main issue to overcome is how comfortable you are with the card. If the OC part bugs you, then wait for another. I'm more into corners, surfaces and images. OC doesn't bother me too much so 70/30 is ok. Beyond that is a bit much for me though. If you have doubts now then you may have more doubts later. Look for a strong strong "6" in a more reasonable price range. You know that they exist and it's just a matter of being patient and finding it. Better to have a strong "6" at a "6" price than a weak "7" at a "7" price.

GOOD LUCK!!!

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Posted By: Glyn Parson

I will never understand why some people need someone else to tell them it is ok to buy something. If you like it buy it if you dont like it dont buy it. Different people have different tastes what one person doesn't mind another collector may hate. It is your money so buy what you like. Obviously asking about authenticity is a different thing and I understand those questions.