Show us your T206s with names stamped on the back

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I think these cards have been mentioned before. I think I have other cards with some stamps on them, T205s 7s, 12s... but I had my T206s out, sorting and counting, and these cards had these stamps on them. Emery's stamps are on 3 Sovereign cards, which I thought a bit unusual. Maybe the guy smoked Sovereigns.

Anyone think about collection rates... a pack a day smoker would have a pile of cards, if he was saving them.

And need we wonder about how none of the original collectors lived into really old age... Maybe if they issued cards with orange juice packets we'd have some healthy kids.

So please scan some of those backs, let's see if we have some stamps in common!

Frank.


Loyd Bolton

Chauncey Emery Agt. Saturday Evening Post 19 Cypress Street Rochester NY

Collect and Credit T U Dudley Jr.

Chester Paul PA

Howe McCormick _________ Gainesville Florida


______ Baker

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Posted By: JK

Just sold this one with someone's initials:

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Posted By: Bill K

My personal collection - http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/

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Posted By: Ed McCollum

I'm at work right now, so don't have scans, but I have two purchased 15 years apart from Howe McCormicks original collection. Frank, if you would be interested in parting with yours, let me know.

Ed

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Hello Ed.

Who was Howe McCormick? And do your cards have the same stamp?


With kind regards,

Frank.

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Posted By: Ed McCollum

I just found it very interesting that spaced 15 years apart, I found two cards owned by the same guy almost a century ago. One card I got from a dealer in PA, the other off eBay last year in Texas. Mine have the same stamp, but a little easier to read.

No real connection. I just check on eBay for more of his backstamps and thought it made a nice/strange subset of cards in my collection.

Old post about this. It may have been you I was discussing this with

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1129209408/



Thanks.

Ed

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Posted By: Bob

Surely someone has a T206 with Gilliam Squires stamped on the back. The guy had a zillion 1910 and 1911 Obaks and stamped his name on every frigging one so there must be a T206 out there.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Ed,

Yes, you can get my Howe McCormick card... tonight I'm going to get stuff out again, and I'll figure out who's on the front. If you can replace that we'll figure out a deal. I'll look for Gilliam Squires on my Obaks, see who's on T207 and T205...

Frank.

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Posted By: Jason Carota

Just this Speaker with "Everett Campbell" on the left. Although difficult to see with the Polar Bear ad, the name runs vertically from top to bottom:

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Posted By: robert a

Bob.

Gilliam Squires was a West Coast guy.
He had better taste.

Rob

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Posted By: Keith

I don't have any prewar with collectors names stamped on back, but I do have a t206 Alperman with Alperman 2b stamped on back.
I always thought that this was strange. Was this just an obsessive collector that wanted to include the position on the back, or maybe a stamp use by the printing company to designate a stack of cards as Alpermans? I really have no clue.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I thought Gilliam Squires looked familiar...

This is the back of a Ward, Vitctoria NWL T212 Obak...

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Hey Ed,

Howe McCormick is stamped on the back of my Spade, Cincinnati portrait card, a Piedmont 150. The card is a bit short at the top, white border shows, but not a lot.

If you want this one, see if you can find a Spade portrait replacement for me and we'll haggle.

Frank.

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Posted By: Steve Dawson

I used to own an N28 Mike Kelly with Buck Barker's stamp on the back of it. I stupidly sold it, along with all my other cards in 1991. I'd do practically anything to get a Mulligan on that one



Steve

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Posted By: Ed McCollum

Give me a couple days to try and find a Spade, o.k.? Thanks.
Ed

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Posted By: Martin Neal

Seems like I used to have a lot more of these types. I think someone on the board has a t206 with the same "english bobbie" on the back. Anyone know J. J. Usher or William Strat-- (I can't make out the last two letters)

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Posted By: Judson Hamlin

A quick look (Abbaticchio- Rossman) turned up these:

Lloyd Bolton (Pelty- Hindu)

George Mea--, Agent Saturday Evening Post, Union St, Milton, Del. ((Gilbert- SC150), (Doc White port. - SC150)

Howe McCormick, --- w. Main St, Gainseville, Fla (Foster- Hindu) purchased from Howard's circa 1993.

HIRAM (Klienow, NY - SC150)

Edited for update and better spelling on the Sat. Evening Post guy

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

So these would have been cards sent out on approval by the collector whose stamp is on the back? Interestingly, shows how little value was placed on backs in the old days!

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Posted By: Judson Hamlin

There seems to be at least two agents of the Saturday Evening Post who stamped the back of these cards, which are all 150 series. Is there anything to support a tie-in to the magazine, such as a distribution deal or (admittedly a reach) could these even be considered a formal overprint? Option (c) is just that these two guys were collectors independent of each other and used their work stamps to mark their cards.

edited to note 150 series

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Dave,

I don't think the stamps on the back are dealer marks for approvals... I think they were ownership marks or advertising marks. Wonder who was the first dealer... One of my cards had a date stamp, month date and year of 1910. I don't think there would have been dealers then. I do think collectors would have marked their own cards then.

Maybe Judson has something... Maybe the Saturday Evening Post got a bunch of cards as part of a deal for advertising the various brands. Once the cards reached the magazine folks they could pass them on down to their agents. Or, maybe the agents got cards from cigarette vendors (maybe the vendors could get the cards in bulk) and after getting the cards, stamped them and gave them to newsstand folks to distribute as a way of selling a magazine. Maybe the agents we're seeing had newsstands and they sold both cigarettes and magazines themselves...

It is interesting to see that there are multiples of the same agents.

I saw a stamped initial on one of my cards. Either a cat or a little bear on another. And I think I might have that dude with the umbrella on one.


Come on, T206 collectors, look at those backs and scan some for us. Or are you ashamed that you have less than perfect cards.

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

I wonder if it's possible they were "cancelled" by a news agent or tobacconist when the cards were turned in as part of a local promotion? You know, "for 25 cards we will give you a free pouch of Cullivan's Fireside" type of thing? Well, not Cullivan's but you know what I mean..........and the cards would be cancelled so as not to be used twice.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

That sounds possible....

Stamp the cards, canceling them, and then hand them back to the patron. Can't turn in a card twice that way.

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Posted By: joe brennan

In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

Some cards that have been stamped are pretty cool. I have (4) e104-1 cards with "Swift" stamped on the back. I’m not sure if it was the name of a business, or dealer/collector stamp. Not to get off subject, but does anyone believe that the “Toy Town” stamp could have been used by a collector instead of a stamp with his name on it, or was stamping a card part of the Toy Town game? Some of the stories are interesting. I’m considering starting to stamp my collection too.

GO BEARS !!!!

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

It would be interesting if something like a Breisch Williams (just saying, please don't whomp me--I have no idea on B-W)stamp was was from a cancellation and not an issuer. I mean, is it possible?

(moronic spelling corrected)

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Posted By: Anonymous

A very quick google search for the mag shows that a new publisher or editor by the name of Lorimer took over in 1908 and was able to double distribution in 5 years to 2 million copies/issue. Might this tie in with an aggressive marketing campaign by their agents to get the magazine into new hands by giving out free t206s? Interesting idea, that needs much more research. Any other SEP agent stamps out there?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

A 19th Century card.....N162 (McLaughlin)

And, a T206 (Powers) with a HINDU back

TED Z

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Posted By: Kevin Savage

As a dealer I often get stamped names on the backs of pre war cards. This January I had a real interesting occurance when I purchased a collection in Arizona and one in Ohio - where each collector had a "Russell W Sewall"(blue stamp) on the back of a card. (One was a T206 card and the other an Obak card). Small world I guess....

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

How about selling an N162 card 12 years ago with "E. S. Richardson" stamped on the back.
And, recently I acquired a small 19th Century collection with some Old Judges and several
Goodwin Champions.....and, in it was the very same card I sold 12 years ago.

I guess that's what you call....."what goes around, comes around".

TED Z