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Old 10-03-2006, 01:57 PM
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Personally, I see beaters as falling into two (at least) catagories:

- those which exhibit significant wear with minor associated damage
- those which have suffered abuse including severe trimming, holes, writing, etc.

The first type of beater is always welcome in my collection. However, the second one would have to have a very attractive image or other characteristic which counterbalanced the damage.

In my beater grading scale, pinholes are considered as evidence that the card was viewed as wall worthy, and therefore is an attribute associated with recognition. Creases are evidence, along with well rounded corners, that the card was handled often and well appreciated. And the list goes on, but damage is another thing.

Glue is not damage, it is a tribute. Same with tape. Damage is hacking, writing, stains - all accidents or choices which are unfortunate.

Do you evaluate beaters with any criteria other than price?

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Posted By: John S

As long as there are no major creases through the face and the name is legible a beater is fine for my collection. One of my prizes that was once buttoned and shellaced into a scrapbook:

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

as a tribute as well. Such as the backs of Buck Barker's OJ's or some of the Exhibits or Zeenuts with exhaustive statistics on them. I prefer the written 'tribute' to be on the BACK of the card though..........

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Pulled from a pack of 1955 Bowman I ripped open in 1991. I have taken great care to make sure the gum has remained intact for the last 15 years.



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Posted By: andy becker

al, send that puppy to psa.....looks like an 8(st) to me

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Of course, you are right Tom.
I bought an Exhibit Frisch beater only because it documented the trade of Frisch for Hornsby on its back.
(Some people think that the Giants also kicked in a pitcher on that trade. But Jimmy Ring was no pitcher; he was a loser for the Giants, and he kept it up for the Cards).

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curious to know what image had the misfortune to be so obscured?
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Posted By: Ben

In my ongoing hunt for beaters, I tend to look for cards that have been visibly well-loved by a previous owner, giving them personalities of their own. Creases and well rounded corners are virtually a must. Some sort of meaninful writing (stats, team changes, etc) are a definite plus as well. Extreme trimming is ok, as long is it was accidental and/or obviously done without the intent to deceive. Food stains, paper loss, mold, and other deformities of this sort are all badges of honor in the beater world.

Here's my favorite beater - e104 Mack with a nadja back. It's not what most would typically consider "pretty", but he's certainly well loved and one of a kind in my eye.


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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Jason, I don't remember. It's an umpire card; I keep it in a cabinet with the part of my collection that's not in "heavy rotation" that's currently blocked by boxes of other stuff. So I can't get to it. I want to say Hank Soar. Does that make sense?

I actually have two of those because I bought two packs for $100 each that day. The other one is a Lew Burdette, if I'm not mistaken, but it's not nearly as bad as this one. Almost all the cards in both packs had some degree of water damage, the water caused the gum to rot and get nasty and powdery. After all these years I've sold off most of the cards and one of the wrappers, but kept the nasty gum cards because they're so cool.

The card is much more gross in your hand than it appears in the scan.

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Posted By: Andy

I'm of the same school as Ben. I enjoy creases and paperloss, banged up corners and just ugly cards. I prefer to be able to see the image fairly well and not have too much paperloss of the front, but the back is much less important to me.

My budget has helped forge this attitude as I can afford to get some HOFers that are beat to death, or trimmed. If they were in better shape I wouldn't be able to own them and enjoy them.

My feelings on trimming are that it's fine with me if it's obvious and not meant to fool someone. Hey, some people used to cut the borders off their cards, and if that lets me acquire an otherwise expensive card then I thank them.

Bottom line, if it's an authentic card and I can afford it, then it's pretty tough to find a reason to exclude it from my (slowly) growing collection.

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Posted By: Zach Rice

My collecting beliefs are right in line with the post above me. I love lowgrade cards. I love when a card has rounded corners, maybe a few creases, etc. It shows the card was well loved, probably by some kid back when it was issued. I usually don't buy cards that have damage to the players face, though. That is the most important part of the card to me and i'd like to have that all intact. Below is one of my favorites. It smells of mold and looks to have once been chewed by a dog. I bought it from Steve Verkman at the national and couldn't have been happier with the card and the price. He has probably five more right now in his auction, all of which are in the same type of condition.

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I personally enjoy pertinent period writing.

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I like the head to be decapitated and then surgically (Read: Glued) reattached.

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Posted By: jay behrens

BcD dubbed me the King of the Krappy Kommons



Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Old 10-04-2006, 09:07 AM
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Jay, Warhop looks like a 5...maybe a 6.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

I like the look that says:

The owner of this card has beaten the hell out it and has done everything necessary to make it look original. Don't forget to burn the edges and give it that nice flea market antique-chic look...

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Please be advised that at no point in time did I solicit scans of these atrocities.

WARNING! Do not gaze directly at any of these "cards", damage to your retina is certain.
The Surgeon General has determined that prolonged exposure to this material may cause
you to turn to stone.

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Posted By: Scott Gross

To answer Gil's original question:

One word ............. character

Bransfeild (w/P) is one of my fav's and a staple of my collection:



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Posted By: jay behrens

I forgot about this attrocity in my collection



Jay

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They dont get much rougher than these bad boys.



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Posted By: Zach Rice

This was left in my pant's pockets in the washer a few months back...

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Zach - That counts as two beaters.

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Posted By: jay behrens

in your pocket? Geez, at least I keep mine in wallet.

Jay

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

But you are right! The stains came out.
Now all you have to do is refine the technique
a little. Maybe the delicate cycle would be better.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Does running a card through a wash cycle count as "cleaning" a card? Zach, do you plan to try to deceive one of the grading services by not disclosing this fact to them? I think you should just request the AUTH label up front rather than try to pass this "cleaned" card through the grading process.

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Posted By: Brett

I like beaters. They have character and they were well loved year and years ago. When i see a mint condition t206 on ebay for example, it just looks like a reprint and i don't has a desire to own it.

I usually will buy a E card that i need in any condition if the price is right. I try to get them where the name is still in tact on the bottom and the image of the player is in tact, but if the price is so low i'd be willing to overlook it

Here are some of the many beater i own.....

After 2 months i'll finally be getting this from the Post Office.. LONG STORY. E98 Mathewson is my favourite E card, so i might have payed too much for it, but i love it and will never sell it. ( if anyone has another E98 Mathewson beater for sale please let me know ! )



I probably spent too much for this on ebay, but someone had to let Eddie have a home lol.



Another ripped Mathewson.



I love these t206s. Looks like a rat got the best of them. Oh well, got the lot of 12 months ago for about $2 each on ebay.

I'll get more scans tomorrow sometime.

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Posted By: quan

i dub brett the new king of the beaters...ben's been dethroned. you still have some of the coolest beaters though ben, d359/e107 plank mack etc...

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Posted By: Ed McCollum

it's nice if most of the players name is on the card. Or at least on parts of the card that have been taped back together.

Even at those standards, T206s seem to be out of my reach now days.

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Posted By: Brett

This might take a while, so heres a few more....

These e98's aren't that bad without the paper loss. Got them combined for under $70 on ebay months ago lol.



Too bad the e98 Lajoie has so much paperloss, would have been a real nice card.



Another e98. One of the nicer looking beaters i have.

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DEAR GOD!!!!!! i sold you all those t206s also Brett. I only have 1 realllllly bad one now e93 griffith, still on the hunt for more!!!!

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Posted By: John Harrell

I simply want to be able to recognize the player, the card set, and any identifying characteristics, such as English only or French/English backs on the 33 WWGs. Other than that, I'd rather have a hole in my card than a hole in my binder.

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Posted By: Brett

Someone should start another "Beater War" thread.

I'd win that one for sure !

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Jay, are you forgetting something? Or are you holding back the big gun until later?

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Yeah Jeff - I was waiting for the one of a kind die cut myself!

J

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Posted By: jay behrens

well, since it's been requested...



How can such a good looking card be called a beater?

Jay

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Ahhh..so THAT is the reason Jay was keeping his powder dry: he believes that his now world-famous card is NOT a beater. At least send it in to PRO and get a 5 for it....

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