Propagandas (Cubans)

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Posted By: Mike

In comparison to other Cuban sets, how difficult is this set? And how difficult is it, compared to other American sets of this time period? Understanding all the while that there were few sets from the post war period. But compared to Playball for example, or late 40's Bowmans etc. etc.

Thanks in advance.

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Posted By: identify7

It was simple enough in the beginning. We included some Canadian sets into our collections. After all, how harmful can some OPC issues be, we foolishly thought. And Nielsons, Willards, etc.

Before long, we find that we are fending off sets from Japan, Venezuela, Dominican Republic and more. What is next?

If Leon doesn't step in here and clean this up, I give it six months until we are discussing Mars Attacks variations.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Yeah, who wants to talk about Mars Attacks, I'd rather know more about the 1938 (pre-war, mind you) Horrors of War set. Isn't the Mars Attack series from 1962 or so (not pre-war).

Just kidding Gil....

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Posted By: Mike

Thanks for all your "kind" consideration.

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Posted By: Paul

The Propagandas cards are definitely one of the most common Cuban sets. They are certainly many times more difficult than Play Balls or Bowmans. You'll have to wait to hear from Ryan or Matt to find out how they compare to some of the tougher regional cards from the era, like 1947 Tip Tops, Wilson Wieners, etc.

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Posted By: Mike

Thanks Paul. I appreciate the mature reply. My request was simple. I realized it fell after WW2. I never knew it would draw such fervor from the masses.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Mike,

My comment wasn't directed at your inquiry. Take it easy.

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Posted By: Mark

Hey Mike, the latest issue we're allowed to discuss are Leister game cards, released on August 23 1945, just 10 days prior to Jpan's surrender aboard the U.S.S. Missouri. Hope this helps.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Mark,

That works for Japanese cards, but if it's a European issue then the card would have to have been produced before May 8, 1945 (VE Day). Also, I'm not certain if the cards had to be distributed by that date or just produced by that date, the rules aren't clear on that. One last thing is that I believe ALL Swiss baseball cards have to be considered OT (even if produced or distributed before 1945) because the Swiss were neutral during WW2 (and WW1) and therefore could not possibly have cards considered pre-war.

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Posted By: identify7

Mike: my entire post was intended as a bit of levity.

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Posted By: Mike

No problem Gil. But look at it from my perspective. it came off as negative. I can't tell you how many people I talk to, knowledgable, intelligent, long time collectors, people who fly under the radar, as I guess i do, who don't want to post on here, because they get belittled, or talked down to. And these are not necessarily overly sensitive folks. I realized that the card I inquired about, fell 12 months beyond the invisable barrier, but i thought that since we are all adults, it would be acceptable. But anyway, no problem. See ya' at the national.

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Posted By: fkw

You guys are getting a bit crazy.

I have asked questions and posted new variations on the Propagandas Montiel cards along with other issues from 1940s Cuba before (Campo Alegre, Carmelo Deportivo, Kelloggs postcards, Acebo, Ansco, Teleteros, etc.) and have never heard complaints. These sets IMO are far far rarer and far more interesting than some common PlayBall, Leaf, or Bowman card. There are some tough HOFers and Negro Leaguer stars in these sets, along with cards of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Mathewson, Foxx, etc. And finding them in good condition is even tougher.

IMO Id rather see posts like this Cuban card one rather than all those lame "Bonds Steroid" and "PSA/SGC whats better" posts.


Frank

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Posted By: Mike

Well stated Frank. It started as an innocent question. But this has happened to me before in here. I have been collecting pre war for about 16 years, and post war since I was 5. I have dealt with most major dealers and auction houses over the years. And have as one of my best friends, one the nations most respected dealers. But somehow because I am not on a personal basis with many of the individuals in here, that makes me somehow less knowledgable, and a target for ridicule. In any case, I will hang in there. The most knowledgable of us in this hobby, don't know it all. Though appears some think they do. Thanks again Frank.

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Posted By: Steve M.

and right on Frank! I love my propaganda. I'm not sure Mr. Mathewson played after 1945 so as far as I'm concerned this is "vintage".

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Mike,

I'm not trying to open a can of worms here, nor am I trying to bait you on.

"But somehow because I am not on a personal basis with many of the individuals in here, that makes me somehow less knowledgable, and a target for ridicule."

I'm not sure that this generalization is accurate. I know a few people that post and lurk here but by no means would I (and others here) even begin to assume that someone has little or no knowledge about vintage cards because they are new to this forum or rarely post here. I know a couple of collectors that have little or no interest in this board but their experience and knowledge of vintage cards is above average. If they ever made an initial post on this board then I would hope that nobody would assume that they are ignorant. I actually think that your post is interesting because it does have to do with cards. But, generalizations as the one you made are a bit out of line (even though it may apply to some people - whom, I don't know).