From Marshall Fogel National Convention

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Posted By: Marshall Fogel

I viewed a message that there is an interest that I speak at the next national convention about my collection, the photography book or any subject you think I could be helpful. I would be honored to do so. Best Regards and Happy Holidays Marshall Fogel, a fellow collector and friend.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

What is "caraaa" ??

Is that really you?

Or is someone floating Marshall's name out here just so that some of the idiots on our board will rip him for something and then drive him off before he ever really comes on??

If it is you, I think you should definitely speak.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

If it is you, Marshall... I also think you should post a scan of your sweet PSA 8 1948-49 Leaf Satchell Paige card since we just had a long thread about those!!

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Posted By: Marshall Fogel

It is me. I wasn't sure how to register so I used a variation of my daughter's name. I would be happy to post a copy of the Paige card if someone would be kind enough to tell me what to do so once I scan the card. Also, I would be glad to honor another request to send copies of the various dislays of the collection. How do I do that if the photos are in my pictures. Marshall

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Posted By: Josh K.

To post images, try this site after you have scanned. Pretty self explanatory.


http://www.imageshack.us/

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Posted By: Anonymous

well Ok..but only if you do the Columbo impersonation...

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

The shoes.............

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Posted By: Josh "Hoss" Evans

Only if you speak about the Hole In The Wall Gang and the quality of cooking since I left the posse.
If not I would love for you to educate me about photography.
Josh

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Posted By: Anonymous

will there be a slide show?

maybe a visual guide to "how i spent your 17.5% in Puerto Rico ??

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Posted By: Josh Evans

I used to the 17.5% to buy an amazing house on the beach in Dorado, PR.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Can I be the first to attack? :-p Welcome aboard. I am sure everyone looks forward to your contributions here.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: leon

Lucky Luciano here.....glad you could make it over. I kept sending you emails about the board, from when you asked at the last National, but wasn't sure they ever got through. We'll have to smoke some more cigars at the next National...always my pleasure........take care...moderator dude (leon)

edited for grammar

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Posted By: Anonymous

all kidding (and joshing) aside...
..that is a very generous offer made by Marshall and i look forward to your talk...and smoking your cigars

...and feel free to post a topic or jump in here any time.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

I have to be honest that this MastroNet bothers me a great deal personally. I have never met or spoken with you, Mr Fogel, and have no knowledge of your experience with news service and wire photos, so am not offering any conclusion on this subject.

Several years ago I wrote a work about news service photos (wirephotos, etc), that I researched and published in pieces in a newsletter that I wrote (and many on this board received). I later published it as a short booklet and lastly posted it on my website. The booklet introduced the essential and largely unknown before issues of news service photos, including what is a wirephoto, stamps, etc. I sent complimentary copies of the booklet to MastroNet, as I did with many of my guides. I had consulted with MastroNet on a couple of photograph issues, and felt the guides would be useful to them.

This information was essentially unknown to the baseball hobby and never before published in the hobby. How can I say this? I had to point out that Yee was misdating some of his photographs (for example, UPI was formed in the 1950s). I also pointed out that an REA Joe DiMaggio photo was similarly misdated, and REA quickly fixed it. I also regularly tried to correct MastroNet's auction listings.

I posted my guide online as a free service to collectors, along with several other free guides. Obviously, I got no money out of this, but felt it was a good service to the public at large, and have gotten people from around the world telling me they used the guides. I've had a journalism studen in the Middle East to a banker in London to a 10 year old in Australia doing her homework email me about my online guides-- and that was the point of posting them online

I have a copy of the MastroNet book. I think it's a worthwhile book and has a lot of new information and in depth research-- information above and beyond what I did. However, it bothers me a great deal that the book uses and incorperates much of my published prior and copyrighted work. Not only was I not asked permission and was unaware (until I got a copy of the book), but was never credited in the book for my work. If MastroNet asked for persmission, I would have happily let them use my research so long as I got fair credit. I would have thought it neat MastroNet would have wanted to quote or mention my work.

Since this MastroNet book, I removed my online guides and only sell them as booklet to those interested in the subject. Whether guides will go online later I don't know (it's possible for some). And I certainly don't give complimentary copies to MastroNet anymore.

The MastroNet book is worthwhile, has a lot of worthwhile and new information and if someone interested in the subject wants a copy go ahead and buy a copy, but it has effected me personally a great deal and I felt I couldn't keep quite about it forever.

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Posted By: Steve

It is me. I wasn't sure how to register so I used a variation of my daughter's name.




Huh?

SD

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Posted By: barrysloate

David- As you know it is illegal to plagiarize someone else's work in any form without permission and without proper credit given to the author. I think you have a very justifiable gripe and every right to expect an apology. However, I would want to be absolutely sure this is true before I did anything about it.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

I am not accusing any individual of anything. The book had multiple authors and perhaps editors, and different authors, editors and contributors may have contributed in different and isolated from each other areas. My dad used to co-write engineering textbooks and said that, on some books, different profesesors would contribute different chapters. While the book would be edited and read by the others professors, a specific author was largely responsibible for his personal chapters. In other words, in a group effort book, if an individual says he had nothing to do with this or that part of the book, that is perfectly plausible. It's possible that misattribution is an error or omission of the editor or publisher, not the authors.

Again, I am only saying that that I feel I deserved due credit in the book, as I feel the book is largely based upon my previously pubilshed work and the book would not have been in its present form without me. It's not that I'm a head case, but I work hard writing and reseraching and my only real compensation is to get credit when the work is used. MastroNet trumpeting itself as the photo experts due to what I feel is my unattributed work is what bothers me. If, on page 22 (random number), they said, "We used Cycleback's guide in the researching of small section" or named my guide in 6 size font in a bibiography, there wouldn't be an issue today. I don't ask for the moon. But, if you don't want to properly credit the creator of the information you use to write your book, then don't use the information.

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Posted By: barrysloate

An author can use information from other sources if he gives proper credit and gets permission to do so. I don't know any of the facts here, I'm just speaking in general.